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Old 04-14-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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I happen to be highly educated and I read avidly, thank you very much.

I take it that by your none response, and instead state that it's 'obvious,' you can't defend you position with a lucid answer.

The fact is, the ACA and the Obama Admin aren't in the same universe as Socialism and Communism. People who claim otherwise either don't know what Socialism and Communism are, and use them as curse words, or really don't know what they're writing about. The fact that you can't defend your statement says mountains.
Very true. It amazes me how someone can make a blanket statement by tossing the word socialism about and then connect communism into the mix as though they're one and the same, especially when one gets the impression the United States Government can just switch over to communism in a flash because of the current President. Not going to happen. Socialism can mean many things. As far as I'm concerned any large modern population is going to have some sort of socialism mixed into their government. It's unavoidable and necessary in many cases otherwise only the few will control the many. Why do I know this? History tells us this in more instances than not. So many people only look at recent history to make snap judgements about how and why governments form. One needs to reach back at least 2000 years to understand how governments evolved and why some progressed and some took darker paths.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Hey! You're the one who posted it, not me. So, the burden of proof is on YOU.

Put up or shut up.
I would say that not reading links but answering from titles only doesn't deserve any proof. Therefore, why don't you read the link and try to find out what really is said there?
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Here's an idea, try reading the Law.
I am just like all 535 Congressmen and Justice Scalia, not about to try to read all of that 2700 pages that the Congress passed in order to find out what was in it. That is what Madame Pelosi told the House, isn't it? Well we are finding out what is in it but not much about all the regulations that have been written in order to enforce it, if and when it comes into effect.

bob, you know that you haven't read that law.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Please explain how hiring IRS agents to enforce a law that requires private insurance companies to provide health care insurance to private individuals is either Socialism or Communism?

Moreover, the current health care law was first devised by Republicans in the 1990s and anti-communist Newt Gingrich championed it. So, unless you claiming that the GOP of the 1990s were a bunch of Socialists and Communists, for your own reputation, you should think before you post wild speculation that really doesn't make any sense when held up to a thimble full of scrutiny.
The attempts that even approached this law were written by Hillary Clinton and turned down by the GOP controlled Congress.

Not one Republican was involved in the writing of this law. In fact, not many Senators were involved in it, either. It was written in the offices of one Harry Reid by labor leaders, insurance representatives and a few Democrat Senators behind doors that remained locked in case some nosy Republican managed to find out where it was being written.

Is it Daily Kos or Think Progress that keeps you up on all these things?
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It is your duty as the reader of the post, to either take his word as fact, or prove him wrong...
..sooo... put up or shut up...!
Posters who fail to read links but take off from titles have lots of trouble but they somehow think that others have to prove them wrong when they don't even know what the link was about. They are very funny when exposed.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Posters who fail to read links but take off from titles have lots of trouble but they somehow think that others have to prove them wrong when they don't even know what the link was about. They are very funny when exposed.
Deflection!
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
I happen to be highly educated and I read avidly, thank you very much.

I take it that by your none response, and instead state that it's 'obvious,' you can't defend you position with a lucid answer.

The fact is, the ACA and the Obama Admin aren't in the same universe as Socialism and Communism. People who claim otherwise either don't know what Socialism and Communism are, and use them as curse words, or really don't know what they're writing about. The fact that you can't defend your statement says mountains.
Your post says mountains about something but I am not sure what. It sure has nothing to do with the topic of this thread or the topic of the link I supplied. Do you only read avidly from blogs like Kos and Think Progress? Try a link on this forum sometime.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Deflection!
I was discussing a fact that can be seen by reading any of your posts on this thread and although it may have been off topic it was about one of the posters on this thread. Whoops, it was you, wasn't it?
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I am thinking that the IRS will have hired the people and started their part of the program. Now what do we do about that happening before the Court gets around to its decision.

How many of the thousands of regulations that have already been made by bureaucrats concerning the creation of more bureaucratic groups to put this horrible thing in effect will even be known by us? I think that the Supreme Court decision will probably cause thousands more cases for them to turn down or take up because of all that has been done up to now. I do wish it were as simple as declaring it all unconstitutional and going on down the road but it just isn't going to be that easy.

if the whole program is ruled unconstitutional, then the money will be gone and maybe the employees be forced to leave goverment employ.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I was discussing a fact that can be seen by reading any of your posts on this thread and although it may have been off topic it was about one of the posters on this thread. Whoops, it was you, wasn't it?
Yep. It was me who read the link, then told you I read the link. And, me who challenged you to prove the existence of this "secretly diverted" $500 million. You know, the money YOUR thread title talks about and secret diversion YOUR link claims:

"Now we learn that a half-billion dollars has been diverted to the IRS “to help set up the president’s controversial health-care law.”

Show the money. Or, at least show me the source for this claim. It's your thread, your comments, your link, so it's up to you to prove it's validity.

Oops. Sorry. I guess I've caused another "diversion."
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