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Old 04-13-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Do you not think Obama has some responsibility for the poisonous political environment given he is the leader of the country? Frankly, I think he does and, while not the lone agitator has framed many arguments for his policies as "us against them". The extremists run with that way of thinking, on both sides of the aisle.
He has far less responsibility than Republicans are blaming him for. Most of what he's said, has not been politically controversial or divisive until he said it. Most of what he's done would not be controversial if it was a Republican doing it.

His positions on cap & trade, taxing the rich, promoting alternate fuels, immigration reform have all been proposed & supported by the current Republican establishment going back to Reagan UNTIL Obama supported it.

The most radical thing he's done (HC reform) was a Republican proposal and was supported by the Republican establishment until Obama got it passed. Now suddenly, it's unConstitutional.

Republicans have created a self-fulfilling prophecy. What do you think happens when you rally your base around the idea that President is dividing the country? Division, not based on ideology but on stopping the president from dividing the country...?

Check out this thread I started: What has Obama done in office that hasn't been supported by Republicans in the past?

I got generic talking points. The specifics I did get were easily shown to have been Republican supported until Obama did it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Do you actually believe them charts mean anything?
Did you even bother looking at the site to see how they reached their rating criteria? Why don't you point out who you think is unfairly placed along the political spectrum?
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Austin
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He has far less responsibility than Republicans are blaming him for. Most of what he's said, has not been politically controversial or divisive until he said it. Most of what he's done would not be controversial if it was a Republican doing it.
I asked what you thought was the reason. It appears you think President Obama has little responsibility for the political acrimony. OK. Or perhaps you disagree with my whole premise of this thread and that my observations aren't widespread.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Do you not think Obama has some responsibility for the poisonous political environment given he is the leader of the country? Frankly, I think he does and, while not the lone agitator has framed many arguments for his policies as "us against them". The extremists run with that way of thinking, on both sides of the aisle.
Yes, I DO think it's his fault that he was born black, now that you mention it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Did you even bother looking at the site to see how they reached their rating criteria? Why don't you point out who you think is unfairly placed along the political spectrum?
As soon as I saw they labeled Obama the most centrist President I had no need to look farther. Jimmy Carter was much more centrist than Obama. The charts are total BS.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Yes, I DO think it's his fault that he was born black, now that you mention it.
I not sure I understand your comment. Please elaborate.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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In all my 35 years of voting, I have never seen such viciousness when listening to people talk about our president or the republican presidential candidates. It seems any decorum or ability to even listen to another point of view is impossible. Perhaps politics was always this divisive or it is just that I'm older and am more aware of the lack of tolerance for different points of view.

What do you think is the reason for the current political strife and is it a new phenomenon?
It ain't new, and this is kid stuff.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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Let's be honest here. Obama started out his term with over $10.6 Trillion in debt on his first day in office, much of which was inherited from the GWB administration. Also, the republicans have moved far to the right on social and religious issues in recent years.
Let's be honest.
#1 He told us and Joe the Plumber he wasn't a socialist, but...
#2 He said to raise the deficit is unamerican (he's raised it more than all other Presidents combined at this point.
#3 He's the first President to shrink the number of jobs in the country compared to when he took office.
#4 He promised to never have us see even 8% unemployment if we went with his stimulus to government employees. Said he should be fired if he could not fix this in three years. It is really at 19.1% now.
#5 He threw Jews and Israel under the bus.
#6 He does apology tours around the world for us though we are the greatest nation on earth.

The right and left were both God fearing people regarding social and religious people for decades.
It is the Democrats that went far left.
Big shift came with the Great Society failure.
Before that even blacks were Republican with 85% two parent households, since then they went Democrat over the welfare and where are they now, better or worse?

You either are a tax taker or a tax payer. As we grow tax takers you grow socialism which collapses countries.
Used to have 1-100 working in government, now 1-9, so how do we pay for all this Ameritopia? The money doesn't exist and people don't like to have things taken away that were given at one point to them.

So, prepare for riots later.
Prepare for tax taker crying like spoiled babies.
There is no money and there will only be enough to support the elderly and disabled. The rest will have to become tax payers, sorry!
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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we have the most devisive president in modern history. His main goal seems to be to pit Americans against eachother. He draws lines of color....religion....class.....any and every way he can.

An American president is supposed to be a leader....a UNITER. This guy is anything BUT. He seeks victory by division. He needs to be defeated in November for the United Stated to be UNITED once again.
Please give examples to back up your post
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I asked what you thought was the reason. It appears you think President Obama has little responsibility for the political acrimony. OK. Or perhaps you disagree with my whole premise of this thread and that my observations aren't widespread.
There's political acrimony bc Republicans are saying it's there, not b/c of policy.

Prefect example: ramussen and the pew center polled on the individual pieces of the healthcare reform bill. Each piece they polled has majority support...FROM REPUBLICANS! it's only when you ask about "obamacare" that republicans oppose.

imagine if we were on a boat and I said the boat was tilting to the left, and everyone ran to the left side of the boat to see. What do you think would happen?

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