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Windshield wiper fluid and no it wouldn't be effective enough. You'd be better off shooting at the glass to crack it causing the driver and passengers to not be able to see.
Likely too new to be surplus. Would you be so quick to dismiss this if a Republican administration were in power?
They might have been originally destined to go to Iraq or Afghanistan but were determined not to be needed and already purchased so yes even new they could be surplus.
They might have been originally destined to go to Iraq or Afghanistan but were determined not to be needed and already purchased so yes even new they could be surplus.
Possibly. Whatever the case would you not agree they're overkill for a domestic law enforcement agency?
If things in this country deteriorate to the point federal law enforcement is in need of mine resistant vehicles the likely conflict is between the populace and the political class. Whatever your personal political leanings the likely victims in such a conflict are the populace regardless of whether they lean right or left.
Windshield wiper fluid and no it wouldn't be effective enough. You'd be better off shooting at the glass to crack it causing the driver and passengers to not be able to see.
Not going to argue this one little point on paint. I will agree to disagree by experience.
I don't know how good the glass is in these since the uparmoring and MRAPs are after my time. I would not trust the old Hummer glass to stop much to begin with.
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
It's probably not so much a case of HS needing them as it is that they can get them.
Ever since Congress and the Bush administration created this monster, they've thrown money at it willy-nilly and HS has been "generous" enough to pass it on to local law enforcement agencies in the guise of "security" grants. The dollars are flowing and, given the mindset that "if we don't spend it, we won't get as much next year," it's funding a massive infusion of "toys" to departments which really don't need them.
All it's really accomplishing is the creation of a para-military force with no real mission. Law enforcement is one thing, but military style equipment, training and tactics have little real world use in most day to day police activities....so far.
One thing we can learn from history is that when any agency grows, expands and acquires un-necessary equipment, they'll find a reason to use it. It's like the Department of Defense: Equipment drives tactics, not the other way around, and law enforcement is no different.
The only way to stop it is to shut off the money and NOBODY on either side of the aisle is willing to go home and face the voters after having done that.
Some of us said at the time that the newly created Department of Homeland Security would grow until it had the capability to consume us, but our frightened friends on the right pooh-poohed that prediction. After all, we had to defend ourselves from "turrorist's."
Satisfied now? Let this be a lesson about the Law of Incrementalism.
It's probably not so much a case of HS needing them as it is that they can get them.
Ever since Congress and the Bush administration created this monster, they've thrown money at it willy-nilly and HS has been "generous" enough to pass it on to local law enforcement agencies in the guise of "security" grants. The dollars are flowing and, given the mindset that "if we don't spend it, we won't get as much next year," it's funding a massive infusion of "toys" to departments which really don't need them.
All it's really accomplishing is the creation of a para-military force with no real mission. Law enforcement is one thing, but military style equipment, training and tactics have little real world use in most day to day police activities....so far.
One thing we can learn from history is that when any agency grows, expands and acquires un-necessary equipment, they'll find a reason to use it. It's like the Department of Defense: Equipment drives tactics, not the other way around, and law enforcement is no different.
The only way to stop it is to shut off the money and NOBODY on either side of the aisle is willing to go home and face the voters after having done that.
Some of us said at the time that the newly created Department of Homeland Security would grow until it had the capability to consume us, but our frightened friends on the right pooh-poohed that prediction. After all, we had to defend ourselves from "turrorist's."
Satisfied now? Let this be a lesson about the Law of Incrementalism.
There were plenty on the right that didn't want the Patriot Act passed.
Sadly none of them were in Congress.
And to date, each of the pieces of the Patriot Act that came up for expiration have been extended.
While many Americans don't like the Patriot Act and all that it has done, the folks in DC with the power to end it have other ideas.
That's a Lenco Bearcat commonly used by SWAT teams in the US but not designed like MRAP to take hits from an RPG and roadside bombs.
That is what I figured. Police forces have used armored vehicles for their tactical teams for decades, but when someone finds a picture of one for feds it is Oh My God tanks FEMA panic taking us away!
That is what I figured. Police forces have used armored vehicles for their tactical teams for decades, but when someone finds a picture of one for feds it is Oh My God tanks FEMA panic taking us away!
What do the feds need them for?
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