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Old 04-27-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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What isn't questionable is this national socialist idea of making everybody adhere to a singular set of rules on terms which are individual based.


And I explained what it entailed because you comprehended it incorrectly.
What? Leave the Nazis out of this, please. Making Hispanics or anybody else speak English to get US citizenship ain't Nazi. Jeez.

 
Old 04-27-2012, 06:04 PM
 
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Hispanics do not assimilate. They do everything for their own kind. They speak spanish everywhere, wave foreign flags all over.
Most LEGAL Hispanic aliens do become American; the illegal aliens are nothing but trouble. 1 big way to make Hispanics really become American fast is to really slow down immigration, even legal immigration from Brazil, Mexico and Central America. We don't usually have problems with Hispanics from Chile, Argentina and so on.

It worked well with the Italians; many went home cause they couldn't make it here back in 1920.
 
Old 04-28-2012, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Claiming that English isn't a language unto itself is laughable to say the least. Just because the border states are full of unassmilating Hispanics many of whom are illegal aliens doesn't justify diluting this country's national language and culture as a whole or that English speaking Americans should assimilate to them. There are only about 50 million Hispanics in this country including illegal aliens and the other 260 million are non-hispanics. Now who should assimialte to whom again? I don't want to see this country divided because the 50 million Hispanics refuse to assimilate to the mainstream language and culture.
Are you kidding me. This nation is hopelessly divided and ain't coming back together. The sooner we realize we don't all belong in the same nation the better. I say 7 or 8 different nations should be carved out of the US and I can say good riddance to you southern neo-confederates and red state right wing nut jobs. I want this country broken apart. It is nothing more than a paper/legal construct at this point. A nation filled with people that hate each other. Until you facists accept the fact that government has a role to play in helping people that are down and out you can get lost.
 
Old 04-28-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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Are you kidding me. This nation is hopelessly divided and ain't coming back together. The sooner we realize we don't all belong in the same nation the better. I say 7 or 8 different nations should be carved out of the US and I can say good riddance to you southern neo-confederates and red state right wing nut jobs. I want this country broken apart. It is nothing more than a paper/legal construct at this point. A nation filled with people that hate each other. Until you facists accept the fact that government has a role to play in helping people that are down and out you can get lost.
Whites and blacks are still the majority in this country combined. So, no we collectively aren't going to allow this country to be divided up nor to become just another Hispanic one via illegal immigration. I have no problem with blacks or other minorites just as long as they are loyal to this country. I am not from the south and it is only the left wing nut jobs that are seeking the division and destruction of this country. I am not opposed to our government (and it is through our taxes, by the way) helping the truly needy but none of our taxes should go to helping illegal aliens. You can take your insults and assumptions about me and shove them where the sun don't shine.
 
Old 04-28-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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Are you kidding me. This nation is hopelessly divided and ain't coming back together. The sooner we realize we don't all belong in the same nation the better. I say 7 or 8 different nations should be carved out of the US and I can say good riddance to you southern neo-confederates and red state right wing nut jobs. I want this country broken apart. It is nothing more than a paper/legal construct at this point. A nation filled with people that hate each other. Until you facists accept the fact that government has a role to play in helping people that are down and out you can get lost.
Speak for yourself, please. If anything the US is becoming more and more the SAME cause of radio, TV and now the Internet but divided up on the cost of housing.

MOST people are down because either they do the deed themselves or their friends help keep 'em in the hood or barrio. Quit blaming the feds, Ok?

Something to look at: IF the old South is so racist and so on; why are so many Black people moving there FROM the "liberal blue" North and Cali?? It really can't be that bad.
 
Old 04-28-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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In many parts of the country it is the Anglos that have failed to assimilate into the preexisting culture. Why do “they” have to become like “us” when they were there first?
To be fair, most of the areas that used to be Mexico were originally the least densely populated parts of Mexico. That's the reason why the Mexican government actively sought American and European settlers. Ethnically, much of those areas have had a significant Anglo population for much longer than Hispanic. Yes, that is including Spanish rule as well.
 
Old 04-28-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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Hispanics should have to assimilate. Now I'm not saying that they should completely disregard the American culture but it is unfair to assume that they will drop anything and everything that isn't American. And for those of you saying that "the illegal ones are trouble" is ridiculous because at one point the ones who are legal were not. America is supposed to be a melting pot I don't understand why it matters so much. Regardless what people want to believe America is still very sectional, even within states themselves... For example NY you have Harlem, Washington heights and then the village.
If you want to talk about assimilation then the real issue here is why other cultures are being forced/ have been forced to assimilate. African Americans were brought here and forced to assimilate to what we believe, we go overseas into foreign countries and expect for those countries to "assimilate" to our form of government and our beliefs etc. It's not our place...

And if you REALLY want to talk about assimilation why didn't the Europeans have to "assimilate" to the Native American way of living... they did because it was convenient for them but as soon as they got on their feet they thought it was ok to force the native Americans to assimilate into a white culture?????
 
Old 04-28-2012, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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Well, I am Brazilian-American and although we could be considered "Latino", I have always felt more American than anything and never tried to label myself as an "exception" to the majority or a "different race" like a lot of Hispanics do.

Most Brazilians that I have met here, end up marrying Americans and their kids end up being more White than "Latino". I have a friend who just moved here from Brazil, had a child with an American woman and he gave his kid an American name, Spencer and he wants to raise his kid as an American not a "Latino" or hyphenated American.

I have met Mexican Americans who are third generation American born and still name their kids "Armando, Jose, Jesus", I really don't get it. In addition, they never venture out of their little "ethnic" ghettos or try to establish relationships with Caucasians. I think it has a lot to do with ignorance, lack of education and being at the low level of the socioeconomic spectrum.

I find very little in common with most "Hispanic Americans" anyways and I still don't understand their mindset. I know a girl who is Mexican American, her son is American born and she posts pictures of him on Facebook wearing a Mexico national soccer team jersey, what the hell? If it was my kid, he would be wearing the US national team soccer jersey, not Brazil or Mexico.
 
Old 04-28-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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Well, I am Brazilian-American and although we could be considered "Latino", I have always felt more American than anything and never tried to label myself as an "exception" to the majority or a "different race" like a lot of Hispanics do.

Most Brazilians that I have met here, end up marrying Americans and their kids end up being more White than "Latino". I have a friend who just moved here from Brazil, had a child with an American woman and he gave his kid an American name, Spencer and he wants to raise his kid as an American not a "Latino" or hyphenated American.

I have met Mexican Americans who are third generation American born and still name their kids "Armando, Jose, Jesus", I really don't get it. In addition, they never venture out of their little "ethnic" ghettos or try to establish relationships with Caucasians. I think it has a lot to do with ignorance, lack of education and being at the low level of the socioeconomic spectrum.

I find very little in common with most "Hispanic Americans" anyways and I still don't understand their mindset. I know a girl who is Mexican American, her son is American born and she posts pictures of him on Facebook wearing a Mexico national soccer team jersey, what the hell? If it was my kid, he would be wearing the US national team soccer jersey, not Brazil or Mexico.
Many Brazilian Americans I've met are pretty racist. There is a lot of racism in Brazil. Generally speaking, the poorest people in Brazil are people of African descent, the ruling class are people from European descent. This is true for most of Latin America.

I don't understand why someone would consider it ghetto to name their child "Jesus", perhaps an anti Christian person.
 
Old 04-28-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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Hispanics should have to assimilate. Now I'm not saying that they should completely disregard the American culture but it is unfair to assume that they will drop anything and everything that isn't American. And for those of you saying that "the illegal ones are trouble" is ridiculous because at one point the ones who are legal were not. America is supposed to be a melting pot I don't understand why it matters so much. Regardless what people want to believe America is still very sectional, even within states themselves... For example NY you have Harlem, Washington heights and then the village.
If you want to talk about assimilation then the real issue here is why other cultures are being forced/ have been forced to assimilate. African Americans were brought here and forced to assimilate to what we believe, we go overseas into foreign countries and expect for those countries to "assimilate" to our form of government and our beliefs etc. It's not our place...

And if you REALLY want to talk about assimilation why didn't the Europeans have to "assimilate" to the Native American way of living... they did because it was convenient for them but as soon as they got on their feet they thought it was ok to force the native Americans to assimilate into a white culture?????
You obviously don't know what the melting pot or assimilation means.

Oh please, another one arguing about what dead people did or didn't do before this country was even formed? It gets nauseating after awhile. It has nothing to do with today as I said those people are all dead now and it isn't up to us to explain the actions of those alive back then or to blame white Americans alive today for the past. You act like we are responsible for our ancestor's actions. My ancestors didn't even come here till well past any native indian conflicts.
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