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Old 05-03-2012, 11:38 AM
 
Location: California
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Yes I do. Which is why his link provides nothing of value to any discussion.
The link was to simply point out that health insurance in Norway wasn't free, you even made light of that point.

 
Old 05-03-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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In Norway those tests and blood work would be additional costs, they aren't covered.

Dynamics and Complexities.
Must really suck being in that bubble being oh so wrong on every. Do enjoy.
 
Old 05-03-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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Must really suck being in that bubble being oh so wrong on every. Do enjoy.
 
Old 05-03-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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I'm just wondering how much of this American "culture" these wingnuts think the Hispanics need to adopt are actually traditions that were transplanted here from other countries.

Your mention of school made me think, the word "kindergarten" is directly from my family's fatherland. In the last 100 years how many the things in our society and culture have come from somewhere else?

Maybe the real question of this thread should be, why do some refuse to let Hispanics assimilate at the same pace and in the same ways other nationalities have in the past? How come some are so quick to reject and condemn anything Hispanic?
For me, I affiliate Hispanic culture with poverty and squaller. A lot, if not most Americans do the same.
 
Old 05-03-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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The link was to simply point out that health insurance in Norway wasn't free, you even made light of that point.
Why make such point at USD 384?

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In Norway those tests and blood work would be additional costs, they aren't covered.

Dynamics and Complexities.
Wrong. They are in fact covered.

Ignorance
 
Old 05-03-2012, 12:58 PM
 
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I completely agree, that's why I used the 15% for the USA (relative poverty rate) for the comparison to the 3 countries as given.

Free Health Care or Just Insurance? - My Little Norway

They still pay, it's not quite free for all, only the truly unhealthy. The healthy actually pay, not a large amount mind you, but they do pay for things the Norwegian Health Insurance doesn't. (NOTE: its health insurance by Norway, with held from paychecks and subsidized.)
Maybe I can add a little to that: There are co-pays through the system. You pay 20-30 U$ for a doctors visit, a bit for a CT scan or an X-ray, a bit for a blood analysis. Etc. Once your co-pays exceed about $ 300 per year, everything beyond that is free. That is the central feature, neccessary health care should never exceed those 300 $/year. This includes stuff like picking your own hospital, having the trave there paid for, or going to the clinic of your choice outside of Norway if Norwegian hospitals cannot provide an immediate response to a life-threatening condition wher time is a factor.
These fees have been set to discourage lonely people from clogging up the system with excessive use, while still being low enogh not to deter anyone with health worries.

It does not apply to vanity surgery, the private sector, or private health care insurance, all of which exist, and which people are on their own when it comes to paying for. Private insurance have had a few legal setbacks as they cannot really match the public systems service, and that have made some of their marketing illegal. Private insurance in the UK have had the same problem.

Private insurance have ended up in the niches of providing travel insurance and insuring key personell from businesses to let them skip triage.

As for the national health insurance, it was a part of Folketrygden, the national insurance setup back when I worked there. It did not only cover health care, but also birth, unemployment benefits, rehabilitation, a minimum pension, various economic transfers to families with children, a years maternity/paternity leave, support for orphans, and disability support.

An earmarked payroll tax pays for part of this, but a lot of the money comes from the normal taxes. And being employed is not a prerequisite for most of these benefits. (Exception; unemployment benefits are contingent on having had at least a years employment before claiming)
 
Old 05-03-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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Why make such point at USD 384?



Wrong. They are in fact covered.

Ignorance
You missed the point.

Ignorance? Read what Grim says:

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Maybe I can add a little to that: There are co-pays through the system. You pay 20-30 U$ for a doctors visit, a bit for a CT scan or an X-ray, a bit for a blood analysis. Etc. Once your co-pays exceed about $ 300 per year, everything beyond that is free. That is the central feature, neccessary health care should never exceed those 300 $/year. This includes stuff like picking your own hospital, having the trave there paid for, or going to the clinic of your choice outside of Norway if Norwegian hospitals cannot provide an immediate response to a life-threatening condition wher time is a factor.
These fees have been set to discourage lonely people from clogging up the system with excessive use, while still being low enogh not to deter anyone with health worries.

It does not apply to vanity surgery, the private sector, or private health care insurance, all of which exist, and which people are on their own when it comes to paying for. Private insurance have had a few legal setbacks as they cannot really match the public systems service, and that have made some of their marketing illegal. Private insurance in the UK have had the same problem.

Private insurance have ended up in the niches of providing travel insurance and insuring key personell from businesses to let them skip triage.

As for the national health insurance, it was a part of Folketrygden, the national insurance setup back when I worked there. It did not only cover health care, but also birth, unemployment benefits, rehabilitation, a minimum pension, various economic transfers to families with children, a years maternity/paternity leave, support for orphans, and disability support.

An earmarked payroll tax pays for part of this, but a lot of the money comes from the normal taxes. And being employed is not a prerequisite for most of these benefits. (Exception; unemployment benefits are contingent on having had at least a years employment before claiming)
Excellent clarification!
 
Old 05-03-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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For me, I affiliate Hispanic culture with poverty and squaller. A lot, if not most Americans do the same.
That's ignorance talking. People who travel extensively have different opinions

PS, you misspelled squalor, as a Hispanic, I wish people would learn to write correct English.
 
Old 05-03-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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The link was to simply point out that health insurance in Norway wasn't free, you even made light of that point.
You're being absolutely ridiculous now, do you seriously think health care insurance is FREE in America? I'm paying about $7,000 a year for a $300 deductible with low co-pays.

Oh, maybe you think poor people get free coverage, lol. Nope, your and my insurance are paying for the free ER health care the poor take. That and our tax dollars. Wouldn't a better health care system allow the poor to visit a doctor's office for $27 than to herd them into ER waiting rooms and dispense treatment costing 10 or 20 times as much? If you believe that, I can understand why you think America's poor have better health care and better health. Rose colored glasses do that.
 
Old 05-03-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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You missed the point.

Ignorance? Read what Grim says:


Excellent clarification!
Yes, ignorance. You were way off and you fail to see it yourself. Why would you make a false claim of something you're obviously not familiar with?
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