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Old 04-17-2012, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Ah, I guess that qualifies my statement above - as my job title (librarian) does require a Master's degree. And to give you an idea, public librarians around here generally make between $50-70K, whereas a corporate/private librarian usually STARTS at $70ish.
The CBO figures show that government employees outpace their private sector peers in compensation at all educational levels except above masters. You particular situation doesn't change the facts.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:49 PM
 
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Haven't read all the posts.

But the OP/argument is misleading.

My father went from private sector to government job and his income felt to LESS THEN HALF of what he was making in the private sector.

He only did it because he saw the potential job security, benefits as an attempt to bridge the gap. Of course, they didn't come close to bridging the gap.

I think this is a difficult area to generalize.

There is waste and abuse everywhere - in the public and private sector. It's just that the targets and abusers tend to be a little different.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:00 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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What would be the private sector equivalent of a county librarian? A Barnes and Noble Clerk? I imagine they make less than you.
Are you freakin kidding me? Somebody needs to educate themselves on what a librarian is... I'll give you a hint, book retail clerks don't have Master's degrees.

P.S. I said right in my post, the equivalent would be called a corporate or private business (i.e. one who works for Google) librarian - also law librarian, which often requires the JD on top of the MLIS.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:02 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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The CBO figures show that government employees outpace their private sector peers in compensation at all educational levels except above masters. You particular situation doesn't change the facts.
By "above Masters" do you mean Masters AND above, or are we talking PhDs and the like? If you're referring to the former, I am only confirming what you have said.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:02 PM
 
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What would be the private sector equivalent of a county librarian? A Barnes and Noble Clerk? I imagine they make less than you.
Corporate librarian. Law librarian. Archivist. Records management specialist. And more.

Here's something from 2008 showing salaries for Library & Information Science grads who got non-library jobs. See private sector number compared to others.

http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6604391.html

It really does say a lot that you'd equate the job of librarian with a book store clerk.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:04 PM
 
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By "above Master's" do you mean Master's AND above, or are we talking PhDs and the like? If you're referring to the former, I am only confirming what you have said.
Why don't you look at the link, it will clear up any confusion. By above masters, the CBO does not mean masters, they mean above masters.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:06 PM
 
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Corporate librarian. Law librarian. Archivist. Records management specialist. And more.
Thank you... the ignorance about my profession is expected and common, but still manages to amaze me sometimes!
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:08 PM
 
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Why don't you look at the link, it will clear up any confusion. By above masters, the CBO does not mean masters, they mean above masters.
Sorry, I was just posting quickly from my iPhone, and hadn't had the chance to read the link yet... still, you can't discount my perspective as we're a big part of the government sector (with all library staff included).
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Sorry, I was just posting quickly from my iPhone, and hadn't had the chance to read the link yet... still, you can't discount my perspective as we're a big part of the government sector (with all library staff included).
I can only deal with the facts.

From the link.


"Federal workers with a master's degree or less are better compensated on average than their similarly educated private sector peers, CBO found.
Those with professional degrees or doctorates, however, do less well than they might working for a large business."

The fate of government librarians do not change the facts.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:22 PM
 
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"In their new book, Debacle: Obama's War on Jobs and Growth and What We Can Do Now to Regain Our Future, Grover Norquist and John Lott, Jr. explain just how bloated the pay and benefits of government workers have become."
"According to Norquist and Lott, the average private sector worker in America earns $61,000 annually in pay, pension benefits, and health care benefits. That compares to state and local government workers who make $80,000 and federal workers who bag $120,000 taxpayer dollars in pay, pension, and benefits."

Federal Workers Make Nearly Twice Private Sector Compensation


Sounds like a good read. Interesting facts to certainly make any sane person realize we need to shrink the size of government, for sure.

- 2.2 million Federal Civilian Workers

- Taxpayers will pay between 2.7 and 8 Million Dollars per each government worker hired at age 25, over the course of their career!

This doesn't even address the additional perks government workers receive, the likes of which are currently being made known through the GSA scandal.

I'll be adding this to my Amazon Wish List. Wonder if it will show up on any of the Public School Reading Lists?

Aren't Norquist and Lott rich guys who hate big government.....whatever. Why the heck would we need to reduce the size of government because the private sector doesn't pay the same rate. Why not have the private sector pay for what their employee is worth.
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