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Old 04-17-2012, 05:47 PM
 
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"In their new book, Debacle: Obama's War on Jobs and Growth and What We Can Do Now to Regain Our Future, Grover Norquist and John Lott, Jr. explain just how bloated the pay and benefits of government workers have become."
"According to Norquist and Lott, the average private sector worker in America earns $61,000 annually in pay, pension benefits, and health care benefits. That compares to state and local government workers who make $80,000 and federal workers who bag $120,000 taxpayer dollars in pay, pension, and benefits."

Federal Workers Make Nearly Twice Private Sector Compensation


Sounds like a good read. Interesting facts to certainly make any sane person realize we need to shrink the size of government, for sure.

- 2.2 million Federal Civilian Workers

- Taxpayers will pay between 2.7 and 8 Million Dollars per each government worker hired at age 25, over the course of their career!

This doesn't even address the additional perks government workers receive, the likes of which are currently being made known through the GSA scandal.

I'll be adding this to my Amazon Wish List. Wonder if it will show up on any of the Public School Reading Lists?
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:52 PM
 
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There is no such thing as an "average" public or private-sector worker. You would have to compare comparable jobs to one another. And you can't just roll "health care benefits" into salary and spit out a number - you'd need detailed breakdowns of salary and coverage plans.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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Yep, many federal jobs are skilled, and need to be compared to private equivalents. When they are, the different often drop a lot and even reverse.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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"In their new book, Debacle: Obama's War on Jobs and Growth and What We Can Do Now to Regain Our Future, Grover Norquist and John Lott, Jr. explain just how bloated the pay and benefits of government workers have become."
"According to Norquist and Lott, the average private sector worker in America earns $61,000 annually in pay, pension benefits, and health care benefits. That compares to state and local government workers who make $80,000 and federal workers who bag $120,000 taxpayer dollars in pay, pension, and benefits."

Federal Workers Make Nearly Twice Private Sector Compensation


Sounds like a good read. Interesting facts to certainly make any sane person realize we need to shrink the size of government, for sure.

- 2.2 million Federal Civilian Workers

- Taxpayers will pay between 2.7 and 8 Million Dollars per each government worker hired at age 25, over the course of their career!

This doesn't even address the additional perks government workers receive, the likes of which are currently being made known through the GSA scandal.

I'll be adding this to my Amazon Wish List. Wonder if it will show up on any of the Public School Reading Lists?
Generally speaking government works with higher educations (bachelors or beyond) get paid less than comparably degreed private sector workers. The inverse is true for those who do not hold college degrees.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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So government workers are another group we're supposed to hate on? Dang. This list is long! Women, blacks, homosexuals, scientists, government workers, rich people, poor people, liberals, conservatives, atheists, Muslims, communists, socialists, republicans, democrats, and hispanics who use food stamps.

I'm pretty sure the only guy left is a white, heterosexual male middle manager at T-mobile who is too lazy to vote.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:00 PM
 
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Look, government employment went up to 1 out of 9 people today from 1-100 around the 60s. This is unsustainable and why are public servants who are paid with private sector taxes paid top wages? Used to be they got about half in exchange for a steady job.

All went south when they allowed unions in who then paid in donations politicians to grow and overpay them.

We need to fire 90% of them back to the private sector.

Why also do we allow government to be bloated like a 750 pound man? We need to trim that 60% as well.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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So government workers are another group we're supposed to hate on? Dang. This list is long! Women, blacks, homosexuals, scientists, government workers, rich people, poor people, liberals, conservatives, atheists, Muslims, communists, socialists, republicans, democrats, and hispanics who use food stamps.

I'm pretty sure the only guy left is a white, heterosexual male middle manager at T-mobile who is too lazy to vote.
That bastard.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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Look, government employment went up to 1 out of 9 people today from 1-100 around the 60s. This is unsustainable and why are public servants who are paid with private sector taxes paid top wages? Used to be they got about half in exchange for a steady job.

All went south when they allowed unions in who then paid in donations politicians to grow and overpay them.

We need to fire 90% of them back to the private sector.

Why also do we allow government to be bloated like a 750 pound man? We need to trim that 60% as well.
Exactly. Many of these jobs could be done by the private sector and are supposed to be turned over to the private sector when possible. But its not being done.

"As Norquist and Lott note, "federal law requires that government look to see what jobs now being done by government workers could be done by the private sector." But we know that isn't happening; even the liberals in the Clinton Administration cited 850,000 jobs that could be done by private workers. Indeed, as the authors explain, the average savings to taxpayers when hiring a private worker instead of a government worker is 30%."

Federal Workers Make Nearly Twice Private Sector Compensation
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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People can make some criticisms of this however, the fact that govt spending as percentage of GDP has climbed quickly to 43% then down to 40% is significant.
USGovernmentSpending.com Past Spending Briefing

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- State direct spending
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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There is no such thing as an "average" public or private-sector worker. You would have to compare comparable jobs to one another. And you can't just roll "health care benefits" into salary and spit out a number - you'd need detailed breakdowns of salary and coverage plans.
Agreed.

[when the Federal government starts operating fast food restaurants paying fast food wages, let me know...]
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