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I agree with Geraldo at the end of the interview when he said Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter at least, he should have stayed in his car, he persued Martin.
Of course that part is missing from the video you posted....
The problem with even this is that as long as Zimmerman had the right to be there he can't be convicted of even that or should I say he shouldn't be convicted. Basically once Trayvon put his hands on Zimmerman all bets were off. Just because Zimmerman put the events in motion doesn't mean Trayvon can beat him to death without having the opportunity to defend himself. Lawyer: Trayvon Martin's mom disturbed by 7-Eleven video moments before death
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But the original lead detective in the case believed Zimmerman caused the fight by getting out of his vehicle to confront Martin, who wasn't doing anything criminal, and then could have defused the situation by telling Martin he was just a concerned citizen and tried to talk to him. He didn't think Zimmerman could legally invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law and should be charged with manslaughter.
Under that law, people are given wide latitude to use deadly force rather than retreat in a fight if they believe they are in danger of being killed or seriously injured, they weren't committing a crime themselves and are in a place they have the legal right to be. The original prosecutor in the case accepted Zimmerman's invocation of the law after the Feb. 26 shooting, but a special prosecutor rejected his claim last month and charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder.
If the part in bold is in fact true then Zimmerman wasn't violating law by profiling Martin and had every right to be where he was. Seems like an easy case to me.
He didn't change what he saw but what he heard, the mysterious cry for help that Martin's own father said was not him. Also the date of the change of story is instructive. March 20th is when Sharpton and company were throwing around accusations and the MSM was going berserk over this case. My guess is this witness wanted to minimize what he heard as to not get pulled into the maelstrom.
The defense is going to have difficulty getting witnesses to testify in open court with the climate Sharpton has created.
05-19-2012, 11:17 AM
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You come after ME in the dark you are going to get at least a fight on your hands.
And that's why you would be at fault and dead as well - you have no right to initiate an ass wooping because you're a paranoid hood rat and because someone approaches you to ask a question. And just because something could have been avoided does not make that approach and questioning a crimnal offense.
[quote=mig1;24365703]Some Details we will never know because he was a minor, but a partial portrait of a 17 yr old that initially was depicted as a 12yr old, murdered on his way home from the store after buying candy and watermelon juice for no reason, well, maybe because he wore a hoodie, tell a story.
-Smoked pot
Multiple presidents have tried drugs. Does that mean our nations leaders are dangerous thugs?
-Transferred from one HS to another (was he thrown out, expelled? hmmm)
-Suspended from current school 3x
-Tardiness and truancy Oh my gosh, he was late to school. Alert the army.
-Surveillance camera caught him hiding and acting suspicious in unauthorized areas at his school
-Tattooed He has his girlfriends name and a tattoo of god's hands. I don't see the problem.
-Reports of punching a bus driver, his cousin posted to his account, “yu ain’t tell me tell me yu swung on a bus driver It was never confirmed.
-Caught with many pieces of jewelry he can't explain Of course he can't explain it. He is dead. It also was never linked to any robberies.
-Gold Grill in his mouth Oh no, not a gold grill.This reminds me of one scene from "I'm gonna git you sucka".
-Vandalized school property He wrote "WTF" on a school locker. Kids in the suburbs have done worst than that.
-No Limit N**** handle, possible referring to a rap song by Kane and Abel featuring friend C Murder, Lyrics So......
What does that have to do with anything?
-Obscene gestures Like?
-Pictures of his friends flashing gang signs on FB And? You judge him on what his friends did?
-Carried around a large flathead screwdriver in his school bag, WHY? ? ?
I could come up with a similar list for Zimmerman.
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And that's why you would be at fault and dead as well - you have no right to initiate an ass wooping because you're a paranoid hood rat and because someone approaches you to ask a question.
Well, Zimmerman wasn't approaching him to ask him a question. He was stalking him down with a gun to shoot him.
As I said, we will have to see how it plays out in court and see if the jury believes him or not. We can all say this, that or the other, but it will all come down to the jury in the end and right now it is'nt loooking to good for TM.
No, things haven't looked "too good" for Trayvon Martin for almost 3 months now. However, Trayvon Martin isn't the one on trial for killing an unarmed teenager walking home from the convenience store...that would be Zimmerman.
No, things haven't looked "too good" for Trayvon Martin for almost 3 months now. However, Trayvon Martin isn't the one on trial for killing an unarmed teenager walking home from the convenience store...that would be Zimmerman.
Yeah, that unarmed, baby-faced, harmless looking 12 year old...NOT the high on pot, gold-toothed, 6'3'' trouble maker who suck-punched Zimmerman and then proceeded to straddle and start beating on him. I wonder how long Zimmerman should have waited to defend himself.....maybe after he was beaten unconscious by that lovely, hoodie-wearing young man?
ALL the evidence points to Zimmerman well within his right to defend himself.
Who knows how far the high-on-pot trayvon would have gone with the beating.
05-19-2012, 11:50 AM
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Well, Zimmerman wasn't approaching him to ask him a question. He was stalking him down with a gun to shoot him.
Yeah, that unarmed, baby-faced, harmless looking 12 year old...NOT the high on pot, gold-toothed, 6'3'' trouble maker who suck-punched Zimmerman and then proceeded to straddle and start beating on him. I wonder how long Zimmerman should have waited to defend himself.....maybe after he was beaten unconscious by that lovely, hoodie-wearing young man?
ALL the evidence points to Zimmerman well within his right to defend himself.
Who knows how far the high-on-pot trayvon would have gone with the beating.
Actually, even the police believe that Trayvon Martin would be alive if George Zimmerman hadn't left his truck and pursued him...many posters have included links to that fact. And unless you were there with a tape measure to check for yourself, I'll be taking the word of the ME who wrote in the official autopsy report that Trayvon Martin was 5' 11", not 6' or 6' 3". Keep up with what's current on the thread if you're going to make assumptions. Martin had every right to defend himself against a total stranger who demanded to know why he was in the complex, and who may have tried to detain him. ALL the evidence points to the fact that a kid walking home from the convenience store is dead because George Zimmerman made yet another poor decision. My goodness; surely you aren't accusing Jeb Bush, Angela Corey and the co-sponsors of the SYG law in FL of being liars and race-baiters because they've denounced Zimmerman's behavior??
He didn't change what he saw but what he heard, the mysterious cry for help that Martin's own father said was not him. Also the date of the change of story is instructive. March 20th is when Sharpton and company were throwing around accusations and the MSM was going berserk over this case. My guess is this witness wanted to minimize what he heard as to not get pulled into the maelstrom.
The defense is going to have difficulty getting witnesses to testify in open court with the climate Sharpton has created.
The Black Panthers put out a bounty on Zimmerman, his defense team was getting death threats, people are randomly attacking others out of "revenge" for Martin... if I was a key witness for Zimmerman I might change my story too.
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