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Old 05-23-2012, 10:26 PM
 
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What is so hard about "practically everything said here, the preponderance is predicated on profiling. The beauty of the English language is its versatility. How did you do in the subject? I could have said is the preponderance, meaning most everything said here, is predicated on the prejudiced notion,mthe assumed notion, that z saw him as a black and therefore a criminal. What I am telling you with no intent to insult is if a pack of spotted bulldogs is seen around the neighborhood knocking over the trash you might not want to chase your neighbors bulldog out of the yard. Or as Juan Williams once said I get a little nervous when I see a group of Arabs on an airplane. It is n association of bad things occurring under certain indicators. Doesn't mean the same thing in the mall or in the workplace ad infinitude. If your gonna play English conjugation with me you best go get your text book. Moreover, so many of you hold others to the standard of writing a paper for grading when you yourselves have your own issues but you do that as a defense mechanism
This is a conversation board for goodness sake where maybe just maybe we learn from one another as in other facets of life. Hey you insult me right back at you. Frankly, if I say something irritating it is probably tongue in cheek because many just get plain unruly. Because I'm generally conservative and because the preponderance, there's that sticky word again, of overseers are liberals I get censored.
This was not a premeditated attack on this young man. Trayvon IMO was immature, a child in a mans body. He May have had too much time on his hands and he probably was not well supervised. I am really sorry he lost his life. I do not believe a man should go to jail for watching out for his neighborhood or defending himself. I believe there are politically motivated race batters in this world who earn their living by driving a wedge between us. They should be in jail for their many crimes against humanity. As long as they continue to be successful in making their living based on division you and I will devolve instead of evolving to a point where both lack and white are beautiful

Im not buying into the crap!

I'll take a c- for overall content. I declare this course pass/fail and self grading.
Your sentence still did not make sense. Were you trying to say that "the preponderance of practically all the posts, everything said here, is based on profiling?"

"Preponderance" does not mean everything said here........preponderance means the greater weight OF SOMETHING.....so what was the something which you felt had the greater weight?

So you don't like Freedom of speech; is that it? Or do you just deeply dislike certain people who all happen to be black, like Sharpton, etc? (See bolded print in your post). Exactly what crimes against humanity? Be specific about that.

 
Old 05-23-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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I'm not black. And I suggest you do some studying of history.....specifically the history of Sanford, FL and the Central Florida area regarding racism. See bolded section in your post. Obviously, you are sorely lacking in that area of factual knowledge.

Btw, do you consider Martin Luther King to have been a "race batter"?

Seems pretty obvious you didn't grow up in this country, or if you did, you missed out on history classes. Do you even know what Jim Crow laws were? There's probably a lot yet for you to learn about this country's past.
Thank you for nailing to thE wall precisely what I am saying. You and those that think like you are a broken record spinning aimlessly and stuck impossible to retrieve in the past. Your yoke will never be lifted because you are too invested in wearing that yoke proudly. Thank goodness for those that have escaped it. I fear though we are losing the battle. The leftist faction in America keeps its power by keeping black people on the reservation assistance instead of jobs. They have convinced black people that they require politicians to make it in life. So they despise those that would concentrate efforts toward providing jobs and self reliance for the certainty of subsistence living. Just keep living in the past and that is where you will stay.
 
Old 05-23-2012, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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This is not racial crime. It is all about stupid angry hateful jerks who have nothing better to do than find fault in everyone around them...I have noticed that AMERICA has a lot of brilliant people-- and naturally a whole wack of real stupid folks..This incident was one stupid person killing a young naive foolish boy...who may have matured into an intelligent adult...Only stupid people kill others..smart people don't/
 
Old 05-23-2012, 10:34 PM
 
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And once again, having never seen those examples posted in any of the threads I have read, I am asking you to provide a way for me to read them, as I am interested in seeing them in context. I have seen no one but you ever suggest such a thing, so I am hoping you can point me back to one of the places where you have seen the assertion made, whether you believe the assertion or not. Since you saw it, please show me where I can see it.
No. I used non-facts as examples, from my memory. I'm not going to spend hours going through all these threads searching for those things. I've said I was not asserting that these examples were fact. I'm afraid that if you want to find them, you'll have to look for them. I'm also not asserting that my memory is perfect. I posted things I remembered seeing being posted here. That's it.

Did you understand WHY I made my post at all? I was answering your question regarding WHAT the location of the car and the location of the body would have to do with this case. Did you understand my point regarding expert witnesses who can take sworn statements, asserted to be facts, regarding what happened when and where TM and GZ were and analyze that information and come to conclusions regarding the truthfulness of the statements made? IMO, this is the significant point.
 
Old 05-23-2012, 10:34 PM
 
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Your sentence still did not make sense. Were you trying to say that "the preponderance of practically all the posts, everything said here, is based on profiling?"

"Preponderance" does not mean everything said here........preponderance means the greater weight OF SOMETHING.....so what was the something which you felt had the greater weight?

So you don't like Freedom of speech; is that it? Or do you just deeply dislike certain people who all happen to be black, like Sharpton, etc? (See bolded print in your post). Exactly what crimes against humanity? Be specific about that.
I am not going to draw you a picture you know perfectly well what I am saying if not no matter you don't want to know you want to argue semantics and placement of verbs and adverbs a game you could not win. If I decide to write a book maybe I will call on you to edit
 
Old 05-23-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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This is not racial crime. It is all about stupid angry hateful jerks who have nothing better to do than find fault in everyone around them...I have noticed that AMERICA has a lot of brilliant people-- and naturally a whole wack of real stupid folks..This incident was one stupid person killing a young naive foolish boy...who may have matured into an intelligent adult...Only stupid people kill others..smart people don't/
Ditto no one said z was smart. I didn't nor do I condone the activities leading to the result. However given the circumstances, no one here would not have defended themselves.
 
Old 05-23-2012, 10:46 PM
 
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Thank you for nailing to thE wall precisely what I am saying. You and those that think like you are a broken record spinning aimlessly and stuck impossible to retrieve in the past. Your yoke will never be lifted because you are too invested in wearing that yoke proudly. Thank goodness for those that have escaped it. I fear though we are losing the battle. The leftist faction in America keeps its power by keeping black people on the reservation assistance instead of jobs. They have convinced black people that they require politicians to make it in life. So they despise those that would concentrate efforts toward providing jobs and self reliance for the certainty of subsistence living. Just keep living in the past and that is where you will stay.
And this ^^^^ is just extreme right-wing BS, most likely at least partially C&P'd from somewhere. And it is most certainly extremely insulting to black people!

clearly you seem to be ignorant of the facts of the past. One doesn't have to have lived through racism of the past, Jim Crow laws, etc. to know that they existed and the effect they have had on people, and to know that racism still exists. As I've said before, you would do well to at least read a little history.

Anyway, what does all this have to do with Zimmerman killing Martin? No hate crime charges have been filed against Zimmerman, so why do you keep posting about black people and what you perceive to be "their problems"?
 
Old 05-23-2012, 10:51 PM
 
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I am not going to draw you a picture you know perfectly well what I am saying if not no matter you don't want to know you want to argue semantics and placement of verbs and adverbs a game you could not win. If I decide to write a book maybe I will call on you to edit
Do you have a problem with free speech, or do you just deeply dislike people you describe as "race batters" who all happen to be black, like Al Sharpton?

Do you consider Martin Luther King to have been a "race batter"?

I'm not arguing "semantics" with you. I'm calling you on statements you have made which seem to be enormously biased.

And what does all this have to do with Zimmerman killing Trayvon? Do you automatically believe Zimmerman is being truthful simply because people such as Al Sharpton helped bring attention to this incident and you seem to deeply dislike people like Sharpton who all happen to be black?

Let's get back to this case. Do you believe Zimmerman shot Trayvon because he was black?
 
Old 05-23-2012, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Ditto no one said z was smart. I didn't nor do I condone the activities leading to the result. However given the circumstances, no one here would not have defended themselves.
Agree- but- if there is an obstruction in your way, made of concrete, you don't ram your head into it to get through..you find a way to go around..Deadly force is almost never a must. If you have a gun- you are in control to a great degree. With that control comes options. One is to hold your ground with the attacker at gun point..another option is to retreat...


That's the problem with a gun culture..most are trained or believe like cops- you pull a gun - you shoot for center mass...also there are those that are not that bright who actually do not realize the full impact and effect of taking a human life..I am sure that if that dummie Zimmerman could have looked into the future..He would have pulled his gun and said...Back up or I will shoot you dead...It appears he did not weigh out his options. That would have taken some rapid brain power- As mentioned before- I feel sorry for both parties...I always feel sorry for people who are not very good at surviving...who are on the dull side.
 
Old 05-23-2012, 11:30 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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The leftist faction in America keeps its power by keeping black people on the reservation assistance instead of jobs. They have convinced black people that they require politicians to make it in life. So they despise those that would concentrate efforts toward providing jobs and self reliance for the certainty of subsistence living. Just keep living in the past and that is where you will stay.
This doesn't make sense. Almost every act defending Civil Rights for minorities and women have been signed into law by a Democrat from the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. The only reason the right-wing extremists keep asking for the President's birth certificate is to delegitimize him.

I can't stand Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Sharpton in particular has incited violence in the past. They should both take lessons from a humanitarian like Harry Belafonte. However, during the Sanford rallies, I heard nothing hateful, only a cry for justice.

This case probably isn't about race, although it's obvious that George Zimmerman was focused on Black males, which is why he followed Trayvon Martin and felt he was suspicious looking. Since I don't know the man, it's very difficult to know what was in his mind that night, but I do believe he acted irresponsibly and should be held accountable for his actions.
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