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Old 04-21-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Awww, that's cute. Your tin foil hat is so tight it's cutting off circulation.

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... it makes no sense to demand that it be repudiated: you can argue with it on the merits of what it recommends, but it's silly to savage a set of recommendations for merely daring to exist. It's tantamount to mounting a bombastic attack on the Food and Leisure section of your local paper just because you disagreed with a food critic's opinion of a restaurant: you might want a different columnist or different recommendations or even a different section editor, but attacking the section for its audacity in existing makes you seem like a raving lunatic.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:46 PM
 
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Awww, that's cute. Your tin foil hat is so tight it's cutting off circulation.

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You want the government to control every aspect of your life. Others don't. Throwing around insults at folks for doing what they CHOOSE is something only the left would do. Freedom for all as long as they agree with everything WE say is the mantra.
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:13 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Smart Grid is a strategy. Once completed the power companies will have total control. They will even be able to raise or lower your AC setting, turn off all your lights, etc. all with a few keystrokes. Smart appliances are on the market.

So who really owns the power you buy..you or the power companies ?
They ALREADY have total control - they can turn off your power at any time, right?

People appear to be fine with many companies having disproportionate control over them. You live in a world where a few banks have disproportionate control over the financial grid and are able to bring it down, right? You live in a world where a handful of health care insurers determine reimbursement standards / economics of care, right? You live in a world where a relatively small number of players control your ability to rapidly transport yourself across the country and internationally, right? And if any move would be made to break up some of that, it would be government interfering in business, which = no no. Can't have it both ways...

At any rate, you will always be able to take the path as some here have done and procure your own electricity generation. If anything, the future technology state of energy will likely allow for more decentralized control over energy. There is a lot going on in my back yard here with solar power, next gen fuel cells, etc. After all, businesses seek new ways to cater to consumers, and consumers ultimately vote with their feet - and technology has a way of evolving right over existing business plans (reference: all of the victims of the internet...the list is long).
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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They ALREADY have total control - they can turn off your power at any time, right?

People appear to be fine with many companies having disproportionate control over them. You live in a world where a few banks have disproportionate control over the financial grid and are able to bring it down, right? You live in a world where a handful of health care insurers determine reimbursement standards / economics of care, right? You live in a world where a relatively small number of players control your ability to rapidly transport yourself across the country and internationally, right? And if any move would be made to break up some of that, it would be government interfering in business, which = no no. Can't have it both ways...

At any rate, you will always be able to take the path as some here have done and procure your own electricity generation. If anything, the future technology state of energy will likely allow for more decentralized control over energy. There is a lot going on in my back yard here with solar power, next gen fuel cells, etc. After all, businesses seek new ways to cater to consumers, and consumers ultimately vote with their feet - and technology has a way of evolving right over existing business plans (reference: all of the victims of the internet...the list is long).

Gas Generator 22KW /1500rpm - YouTube
Well I would go with a 22KW Automatic Standby Gernerator that runs off either propane or Natrural Gas with a decent sized tank buried in the backyard to Run for long periods of time under heavy load with no issues and fill up the tank every winter and any power outages and you are fine..
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Power outages is one thing..regulating your thermostat is quite another. The latter can be done when the smart grid strategy is fully in place.
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Old 04-22-2012, 02:40 PM
 
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Another thread illustrating Lady Jessica's adage the "Fear is the mindkiller."

You guys stopped being ratational before the internet was invented by Liberals.
Prudence knows no fear.

Without Vision, you will perish.
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Old 04-22-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Prudence knows no fear.

Without Vision, you will perish.
Yeah, that was a rather silly post you quoted, was it not?
Fear had nothing to do with our decisions to get off the electrical grid.
Spending a total of 2 months without power after the hurricanes of 04, however, had a great deal to do with it.
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Old 04-22-2012, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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The nuclear plants have backups for backups but they can never be fully tested unless one goes into meltdown mode. Look at what happened at Fukushima. Can't prepare for everything. Ticking time bomb.


The loss of the 8 nuclear reactors at the Fukushima had nothing to do with the reactors their control systems, or safety systems. These systems simply do not work well when imersed in salt water! These reactors were designed and built by General Electric and their Japanese partners. Fukushima was doomed by the failure to build an adequate sea wall which was over topped by the tsunami generated by the March 2011 Earthquake. That large earthquakes and 15 meter Tsunamis hit this area in Japan is a known fact in Japan and in their records going back nearly a thousand years. There was physical evidence along the Japanese coast that this has occured as well. What I find inexplecable is why would the normally conservative and careful Japanese would only build a sea wall able to hold back tsunami's of only 5-10 metrs high? It should have been at least 20 meters (60 ft high) ! In Japan if you make a decision this poor there is one thing left to do. Get a certain type of knife and and after the purification ritual hari kiri.
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Old 04-22-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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Many of the US nuclear reactors are of the same generation age as those at Fukashima and likely with similar General Electric technology.


and they have a lot of spent fuel rods stored on site to boot!!! same as fukashima
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Old 04-22-2012, 04:15 PM
 
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Yeah, that was a rather silly post you quoted, was it not?
Fear had nothing to do with our decisions to get off the electrical grid.
Spending a total of 2 months without power after the hurricanes of 04, however, had a great deal to do with it.
Now that is a hand book i'd love to read....

The number of people now living that have actually lived through that many days without Power has got to be very small in the US.

Maybe a few 90 yr. olds that grew up on a midwest farm could say that, but at least they had the non electric infrastructure to lead a normal life.

Our blind trust in all things Technological is a huge Achilles in our culture.
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