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there are retired NYPD/LAPD etc that would do a way better job than these clowns
Chances are that there are indeed retired police officers working for the TSA. Whatever the case,the clowns haven`t had a plane hijacked and flown into a building yet.
Is anyone aware of any organization with over 100,000 employees that doesn`t have a few idiots on the payroll? Should we disband our military because some soldiers are in jail for murdering innocent people? Just asking.
Chances are that there are indeed retired police officers working for the TSA. Whatever the case,the clowns haven`t had a plane hijacked and flown into a building yet.
Is anyone aware of any organization with over 100,000 employees that doesn`t have a few idiots on the payroll? Should we disband our military because some soldiers are in jail for murdering innocent people? Just asking.
I have been rubbing flower petals on my groin since 9/11 and we haven't had attack since then. I'd say my actions are about as responsible for air travel safety as thinking a state run bureaucracy with minimal hiring standards is getting it done.
Let the airlines handle security. If you don't like it, you can refuse to fly.
Actually it was the airlines that were "handling" security on 9-11. It was they who hired the lowest bidding security contractors and they got what they paid for.
Actually it was the airlines that were "handling" security on 9-11. It was they who hired the lowest bidding security contractors and they got what they paid for.
Unless your 4 year old has a developmental disorder or something, you should be able to get her to be a big girl at the airport. That she was hysterical and crying through the whole ordeal whilst her family was present to calm her, to me, speaks to other problems.
Do you have children? Do you know that they don't always respond reasonably? Have you ever seen tantrums thrown when a kid doesn't get the candy or toy in the store he/she wants? Have you seen a child be completely and utterly upset because somebody is leaving? The only thing that speaks to other problems is that you seem to believe that such behavior is unnatural.
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Further, what would you have the TSA do? At an organizational level, clearly SOP must be very structured and leave little room for individual discretion; TSA can't afford to employ people with police academy training and lawsuits are a huge concern. So, they clearly must follow some extremely structured policy.
How about responding in a responsible and human manner. There is no reason to be the scary authoritarian with a little child in this situation. This is not a matter of receiving police academy training - it's a matter of being a decent and normal person who can distinguish a real threat from a child being upset and not responding like an adult.
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With this in mind, what would you have the officers in question do? They aren't allowed to say "OK, the little girl is probably just being a little girl, and is not a threat." Yes, probably. But it's completely possible that the girl had a gun.
Just about every job allows for discretion. You don't need to give a speeding ticket to an elderly man whose wife is having a heart attack and who is on the way to a hospital. You also don't have to escalate a situation like this.
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Flying is a privilege, not a right. I don't get the TSA hate. They have serious looks on their faces because they have serious jobs, and serious consequences to live with if they screw the pooch.
Even if one were to accept this premise, acting upon a granted privilege does not mean that a person has to abandon all other rights.
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Some Americans desperately want to believe that we live in a totalitarian nation. It helps justify their own failures if they believe the country has gone to sh**. Not accusing you of this per say OP, just pointing out the phenomena...
You know, if an organization acts in a totalitarian manner, one might as well call a spade a spade. At the very least, this is abuse of power.
Vamos, I don't disagree with a single thing you said (cept' for the totalitarian stuff. For god sakes...) I read the article and didn't see any obvious evidence that the TSA was being unreasonable. The family says they were intimidating the girl, but didn't get specific.
It turns out it was just a little girl being a little girl. But it absolutely could have been a situation where she had a gun. We laugh but the reality is, its not an uncommon tactic.
Consider if the girl did have a gun, and something bad happened. "Political correctness costing lives" would be the conservative mantra.
Vamos, I don't disagree with a single thing you said (cept' for the totalitarian stuff. For god sakes...) I read the article and didn't see any obvious evidence that the TSA was being unreasonable. The family says they were intimidating the girl, but didn't get specific.
It turns out it was just a little girl being a little girl. But it absolutely could have been a situation where she had a gun. We laugh but the reality is, its not an uncommon tactic.
Consider if the girl did have a gun, and something bad happened. "Political correctness costing lives" would be the conservative mantra.
Well, I don't think that the US is totalitarian, either - and that this incident is evidence of such. I do understand, though, that some people may perceive it as such. However, I do believe that the behavior by TSA agents was disproportionate to the possibility of a real threat and that it was inappropriate.
Obviously, it's a narrow space between neglecting security (being overly politically correct, as you term it) and being overly aggressive to the point where reason is abandoned. To me, TSA misstepped into the region of craziness here - at least that's how it comes across to me from reading the article.
As a parent, I would have been absolutely livid.
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