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Old 04-26-2012, 06:11 PM
 
Location: WA
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Ya'll make it sound that libertarians don't believe in charity. We do, just responsible face to face charity ala Ben Franklin.
Someone should tell Jeff Bezos, local libertarian, that libertarians are supposed to give money to charity.

"In a 2010 interview with PBS' Charlie Rose, Bezos expressed doubt that philanthropy was the best way to solve social problems. "I'm convinced that in many cases, for-profit models improve the world more than philanthropy models, if they can be made to work.""


Business & Technology | Amazon a virtual no-show in hometown philanthropy | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:12 PM
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libertarians believe in looking out for themselves, and whoever is left behind is just dead weight.
Liberals believe that reaching into x's pocket, taking x's cash, and giving it to y, constitutes charity. Libertarians believe in reaching into their own pocket, not someone else's pocket.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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lets break it down. liberals= disabled, old people, poor, minorities, women, GOP= rich old white guys, Libertarians= darwinism
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libertarians are like Drago from Rocky IV. If he dies, he dies. They are purely survival of the fittest. They make republicans look like they actually have a heart for somebody who isn't rich.
Ummm, no... not quite, on all accounts. Please learn a little more about our (libertarian) beliefs, before saying such ridiculous things.

I'm a left-leaning libertarian, and completely support responsible and necessary government intervention - including social services for the truly needy, which is like a 4-letter word to most Republicans. I also support the government making & enforcing laws, provided they aren't interfering with personal liberties. For example, I think drugs need to be 100% legalized and the drinking age should be lowered, but fully support any restrictions on driving while intoxicated... I don't care what you put in your body, but the second you endanger somebody else we have a problem! Anyway, these are just my personal views for the most part, but I think they're in-line with general libertarianism.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:56 AM
 
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Someone should tell Jeff Bezos, local libertarian, that libertarians are supposed to give money to charity.

"In a 2010 interview with PBS' Charlie Rose, Bezos expressed doubt that philanthropy was the best way to solve social problems. "I'm convinced that in many cases, for-profit models improve the world more than philanthropy models, if they can be made to work.""


Business & Technology | Amazon a virtual no-show in hometown philanthropy | Seattle Times Newspaper
Not all libertarians agree on all issues.....just like not all Dems and reps do not agree on all issues.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:59 AM
 
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lets break it down. liberals= disabled, old people, poor, minorities, women, ?....m
like George Soros, Al Gore, Michael Moore,....etc?
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:04 AM
 
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libertarians believe in looking out for themselves, and whoever is left behind is just dead weight.
Liberals think charity is taking money from hard working tax payers and giving it to those that refuse to work. Libertarians believe charity is giving your own money to the needy.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:41 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Liberals think charity is taking money from hard working tax payers and giving it to those that refuse to work. Libertarians believe charity is giving your own money to the needy.
Exactly.

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libertarians believe in looking out for themselves, and whoever is left behind is just dead weight.

Did you ever think of the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and being accountable for one's own actions? A foreign concept for a lot of people in this country these days. It's always someone elses fault, isn't it? Yes there are people in this country who need our help, as you mentioned, elderly, disabled, mentally ill, those who have fallen on hard times, and ACTUALLY attempt to better themselves....ect... I'm willing to help those people ALL DAY! I'm a little less willing to help someone who sits on their a** all day with no incentive to find work and continues to suck off of the taxpayers. Yet has a smart phone, a plasma tv, a cupboard full of junkfood, and a brand new car. And again, before you say I'm ripping on those that are less fortunate keep in mind that I'm also not willing to keep bailing out big companies for making bad decisions either.
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