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Old 04-30-2012, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Which is more dysfunctional--a Congress that can't get anything done or one that passes legislation like Obamacare, a $1 trillion bonndoggle called stimulus and Dodd-Frank?
And all that happened when the Dems had complete control of the Congress along with a President who promised to put every bill he is asked to sign on the internet for five days for us to read. I wonder which direction those two men lean.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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No, they're not. They're just different from what you or I would do.

When you categorize the opposition as being "un-American," you're simply using rhetoric to delegitimize them, the same as they're doing to the Democrats.

This nation will NEVER get back on course until BOTH sides accept that the other side has a right to its opinions and that BOTH sides are genuine Americans.
I had to rep you for that one statement. Of course, I wonder when this will happen with people from the establishment of both parties like Reid and McConnell in positions of leadership.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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Good article and so true. Remember what the house leadership said when Republicans won the majority? To refresh, they said that thier number 1 objective was not to help the economy, not to hep the middle class and poor, not to help the unemployed, nope a single one of those. They number one goal was to make sure Obama is a 1 term president.

How unamerican is that?
Did Boehner really list all those negative things or did he just say that he didn't want Obama to have a second term? I would like to have you link me to all those things other than from the mouth or pen of a progressive.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Source: NYTimes article linked in OP
You keep saying this but I find only the WAPO linked in the OP and that is nothing but an opinion, at that.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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It takes 2 to tango. I hold both sides accountable and I think a lot of people have amnesia about the first 2 years in office and how legislation was initially approached.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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This quote seems pretty telling...


"Since the Clinton presidency, it has hewed to the center-left on issues from welfare reform to fiscal policy. While the Democrats may have moved from their 40-yard line to their 25, the Republicans have gone from their 40 to somewhere behind their goal post."

You can see these viewpoint routinely on this forum, where folks are routinely ranting about thing with no basis in reality. AGW is a hoax and all scientists in the world are on the take. Even sunsetting unsustainable tax cuts is socialism. Obama is a muslim. It is like they are in a parallel universe where only their propaganda matters. Where a bricklayer is an expert on Austrian economics.

You would think after the 'W Experiment,' a bit of humility would be in order, but it seems like no matter what the GOP posters lurch further into Conservatopia.

I think we need a lot more people on the 40 yard line than folks in their own ideological world of talk radio lunacy.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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It takes 2 to tango. I hold both sides accountable and I think a lot of people have amnesia about the first 2 years in office and how legislation was initially approached.
People say this, but this article by 40 year Washington observers soundly refute the bipartisan view. It is a hardline veer to the right that is driving the gridlock. Obama is center left, as are most of the Democrats.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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You keep saying this but I find only the WAPO linked in the OP and that is nothing but an opinion, at that.

It is based on their book:

Amazon.com: It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism (9780465031337): Thomas E. Mann, Norman J. Ornstein: Books

And I think they match with the views of GOP Senator Alan Simpson:

Alan Simpson: Republicans Allowing 'Pettiness to Overcome Patriotism' In Deficit Negotiations - Business Insider
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And rightly so.

Let me put it this way:

To lose the support of a lifelong Republican like me, they really had to go far out of the mainstream. They left me behind way back there where they got in bed with the "religious right" lunatics and they're still accelerating in the wrong direction.
I knew it. We are so much alike. The Democrats lost me when I was 40 and had been a very liberal supporter of the party and they nominated an admitted Socialist for President in 1972. The real problem is that they never stopped doing that although some of the later ones weren't admitted socialists although I saw them as such.

Yep the Democrats lost me because they leaned a bit too far left for me and they just haven't really made it back, yet.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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This quote seems pretty telling...


"Since the Clinton presidency, it has hewed to the center-left on issues from welfare reform to fiscal policy. While the Democrats may have moved from their 40-yard line to their 25, the Republicans have gone from their 40 to somewhere behind their goal post."

You can see these viewpoint routinely on this forum, where folks are routinely ranting about thing with no basis in reality. AGW is a hoax and all scientists in the world are on the take. Even sunsetting unsustainable tax cuts is socialism. Obama is a muslim. It is like they are in a parallel universe where only their propaganda matters. Where a bricklayer is an expert on Austrian economics.

You would think after the 'W Experiment,' a bit of humility would be in order, but it seems like no matter what the GOP posters lurch further into Conservatopia.

I think we need a lot more people on the 40 yard line than folks in their own ideological world of talk radio lunacy.
Today I read an article from Reuters that says that there is a distinct possibility that wind farms are contributing to heating of the air around them. That would seem to say that maybe global warming and that one source of alternative energy are contributing to that warming. Well, you wouldn't like that but those scientists doing the studies think it is true. Oh hell, you say, everybody knows that it is carbon that is causing all the warming.

I never accused all the scientists in the world of being wrong about global warming since such a high number of them fail to agree about what the UN has said about it.
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