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Old 05-01-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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Now that the media has established that "Hispanics are white", will they please ST*U with comments about how whites that oppose criminal aliens from Mexico are racist? Can't have it both ways.
I think you've taken a few liberties with the statement "Now that the media has established that "Hispanics are white".

Not all Hispanics are White. Obviously some do consider themselves white and a great many don't.




II. Identity, Pan-Ethnicity and Race | Pew Hispanic Center

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Hispanics and Racial Identification

When it comes to racial identification, many Hispanics’ self-assessments do not fit into the racial classifications used by the U.S. Census Bureau and the federal government.


Findings from the Pew Hispanic survey show that, when asked which term describes their race—white, black, Asian or some other race—51% of Latinos say their race is either “some other race” (26%) or volunteer that their race is “Hispanic or Latino” (25%). Meanwhile, one-third (36%) say their race is white and the remainder, 10%, identify their race as black, Asian or mixed race.

These findings do not match those of the 2010 U.S. Census. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, when asked about their race, 37% of all Latinos identified their race as “some other race” and more than half (53%) identified their race as white (Humes, Jones and Ramirez, 2011).1

The Pew Hispanic survey also finds that racial identification among Latinos varies by immigrant generation, with third-generation Latinos the most likely to identify as white. Among immigrant Latinos, 51% say their race is “some other race” (21%) or “Hispanic or Latino” (31%)2, 36% say their race is white and 9% say their race is black, Asian or mixed race.

Among second-generation Latinos, a similar pattern is evident—55% say their race is either “some other race” (36%) or “Hispanic or Latino” (20%)3, followed by 30% who say their race is white. Among third-generation Hispanics, the share that identifies as white rises to 44% and the share that says “some other race” or “Hispanic or Latino” falls to 43%.4
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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HAHA how much time to dig up that quote about 'Richard Blake.' It took me a second to even remember it. It was a wacked out reply to a wacked out post by Enemy Country (IIRC, and I hope I got that right, sorry if not). He posted a bizarre conspiracy theory comparing Blake to Simpson. It may have been PUI (posting under the influence) on both sides.
LMAO! How did I end up on this post. This is to funny.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:20 PM
 
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One of my hobby horse issues is how the media bends, spindles, and mutilates the language, in their ongoing effort to brainwash the populace. For example they concocted the term 'assault weapon,' which was never used by firearms makers, in order to push an agenda of gun-control. Another is 'economic stimulus.' Politicians want to justify some otherwise unconscionable binge spending, so they call it "stimulus," and the MSM slurps it right up.

The latest example of this is 'white hispanic,' a label that the NY Times affixed to George Zimmerman as a way to push the story line that the shooting of Trayvon Martin was racially motiviated. A WA Post writer found that the NYT has rarely used the term 'white hispanic' in its reporting before this case. Erik Wemple found two prior uses of 'white hispanic,' one in a story about demographics, and another regarding education.
Why did New York Times call George Zimmerman ‘white Hispanic’? - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post

In the above piece, NY Times editor Phil Corbett explains the use of the term by noting that Zimmerman's father was a non-Hispanic white. But as Jonah Goldberg points out, by that logic, the press should refer to President Barack Obama as a "white African-American," since his mother was white.
Jonah Goldberg: Trayvon Martin and the race card - Los Angeles Times

Note also that Corbett resorts to the logical fallacy of circular reasoning to justify the term.



So they're justified in pushing a racial angle because of 'concerns about racial elements.' And what is the impetus for these concerns? Not any evidence that Zimmerman was motivated by racism, as far as I know. The purported racial epithet now appears to be Zimmerman complaining about the cold temperature. And it turns out that Zimmerman himself is partly of African ancestry. So the concerns arise from sources like the NYT pushing the racial angle, and then in turn the NYT cites the concerns as justification for pushing a racial angle. Neat how that NYT 'logic' works.

Where did Spanish come from? Spain.

Who were one of the first colonizers? The Spanish.

There are white hispanics. Thats who you mostly see on Spanish language TV.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:41 PM
 
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I've known some Chicanos who DON'T speak Spanish at all so that knocks down your opinion. "White" means an anglo person with usually light skin, sheesh.
Chicanos will 98% of the time speak at least a word or two of Spanish.

No one is the same color of white as a piece of paper. That's a silly term.
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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When the term "white Hispanic" is used they aren't referring to skin color but race.
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:47 PM
 
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When the term "white Hispanic" is used they aren't referring to skin color but race.
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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Now that the media has established that "Hispanics are white", will they please ST*U with comments about how whites that oppose criminal aliens from Mexico are racist? Can't have it both ways.
The media has not established that Hispanics are white. This is a term taken from the federal census. There are two or more categories for Hispanics. This is inrecognition of the fact that some Hispanics are White, meaning purely from Europe (Spain), some are Black, some are Indigenous, and there are various mixtures of all that (the progeny of the Native women Cortez and his gang of thugs raped, for example). These are all referred to as "Hispanics" because they all speak Spanish. It's useful for the census to break down the category, that's how it started. i believe this practice was begun during a Republican administration, not that it matters. Maybe one of you might enjoy researching that so you know who to pin it on, seeing as how you like to polarize everything and blame "The Left". Have fun.
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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Most Hispanics in this country self identify as white. Take it up with them since you don't want them as your brothers and sisters.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Most Hispanics in this country self identify as white. Take it up with them since you don't want them as your brothers and sisters.
Where did anyone say that they didn't want them as brothers and sisters? Ah yeah, nobody did, you just hallucinated it out of your addled brain.

The issue is why did liberals suddenly come up with this novel terminology, for this case, as the WAPO writer notes, used only twice previously by the NYT? I see both Martin and Zimmerman as a couple of fellow Americans. It's the left that is obsessed with their skin tone and racial taxonomy, continually breaking it down into finer and finer categories. It's the left that gets all offended when someone tries to cross racial bounds, telling them (paraphrase) 'you are not a part of my community.'
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:55 PM
 
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The issue is why did liberals suddenly come up with this novel terminology,It's the left that is obsessed with their skin tone and racial taxonomy,
How do you know it's liberals who came up with this? It's the US Census that came up with it. Do some research and get back to us re: under which Presidential administration the Census introduced the division of "Hispanic" into different groups, and get back to us.
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