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I'm gay and i remember knowing i was gay in the sense that i liked boys and felt different on the inside from my peers going back to the 1st or second grade. ( i remember very little or NONE of my life before this)
since it was before puberty i didn't have sexual lust towards other boys but i felt attracted to them and had crushes on them in more of a platonic non sexual way.
also i remember that i felt more gentle or softer than other boys at that age. i didn't like sports, though i was made to join all of them and i preferred playing more gentle games like tag or four square. I also remember in the first grade i liked to play house in playtime at school where most of the other boys avoided this like the plague.
at age twelve when puberty started i felt sexual and romatic attraction to other boys. i had a very deep crush on an older boy but of course i never told my family or friends any of this. i remember also not understanding why my friends liked girls so much.
i was NEVER molested and grew up in a normal family in north dakota. my brother and sister are both straight and my parents are still married.
I was actually the most conservative one. i was the only one of my siblings who regularly went to church, spirituality was and still is very important to me. i even got a degree in religion from the university and at one time was considering becoming a pastor. I didni't come out to my family until i was in my mid twenties, i'm now in my early thirties.
I dated a couple of girls when i was younger but there was NO physical or emotional attracted. it even felt gross kissing them.
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never chose to be gay, just always was that way.
There are a lot of very aggressive, large males that are gay so I don't know if the whole "soft" or gentle thing is in line if one were looking for signs.
and i dated women too, yet i wasn't attracted to them in any way. i know a gay guy who was married and yet also knew he was gay his whole life because he was doing what straight religious people tell us to do, pretend we're not gay and hurt women by getting married to them.
I think more gay people have been brainwashed into being straight (The Exodus Program comes to mind), than straight people have been brain washed into being gay. Brainwashing never seems to workout well.
Please tell me did you get a degree in Biology or Anthropology? You are wrong.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
Your post qualifies as the dumb post of the day.
If by that you mean educated. If you are so concerned about that you best not post.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
"Gayness" starts when a person makes the choice to be gay.
Not making the choice to be gay is equivalent to choosing to be heterosexual.
This post is wrong for so many reasons. Your lack of understanding is amazing. just because you want something to be true to justify your hate does not make it true.
Went to grade school with a boy who later turned out to be gay. Can't recall if he ever showed interest in boys - but he played with the girls (!) a lot. Ran into him at a hospital where he was a male nurse - super effeminate but not interested in girls anymore.
Oh well...
Freud said it almost always arose from parent-child identification problems and that when things go awry, its pretty set by an early age. I think somewhere between 2 and 4.
You can't say that b/c it goes against the argument that they're born that way.
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Freud thought everything had to do with parenting issues, as we now know, Frued got a lot of things wrong.
So you somehow believe that parenting doesn't have a lot to do with how a child turns out? Um....
Freud or no Freud, the current general consensus is that you can be born with a predisposition but how you're raised can take that predisposition one way or another. So basically while nature may have a role, nurture has much more to do with how a person turns out. Your personality is shaped almost entirely by your experiences. So yes, Freud was right on this one, as wrong as he may have been on some other things.
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