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Old 05-10-2012, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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There is a lot of talk about how universal healthcare and similar public programs is socialism and a lot of people don't want socialism in their country. But if universal healthcare is socialism since it's provided by the government with tax payer money isn't public education also socialism then? If it is socialism should we get rid of it because of that?

 
Old 05-10-2012, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Parents have the right to send their children to private schools. If they can't afford it, then you know why we should keep the public school system. However, as much as Republicans resent the public school system, I wouldn't be surprised if they strongly disagree with me.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 03:47 AM
 
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Yes, it's a failing public school system.

Get the federal government out of education and let communities build schools if they choose to build them like was done in the past when the schools were good. Local control over schools led to better schools.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 03:59 AM
 
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They have banned God from public "education" so yes, we should get rid of it.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Public education fits the usual definition of socialism: government ownership of the means of production. Education is the product, and the school system is the means of production. People can escape through private schools, but only if they're willing to pay double--taxes to fund the public schools, and tuition to fund the private school.

As with any socialist enterprise, it ends up oriented to benefit political interests rather than end users. In this case the teachers' unions become the political interest group with the most clout. Here's is an excellent and brief essay on why socialism doesn't work very well:
Why Government Can't Run a Business - WSJ.com
 
Old 05-10-2012, 05:13 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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We're not getting rid of public schools, folks.

Just like the GOP won't repeal child labor laws, either.

The nutball fringe on the right isn't going to succeed with their most extreme wants and desires.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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There is a lot of talk about how universal healthcare and similar public programs is socialism and a lot of people don't want socialism in their country. But if universal healthcare is socialism since it's provided by the government with tax payer money isn't public education also socialism then? If it is socialism should we get rid of it because of that?
Seeing the shape our schools are in after the government controlling education, should be a stark warning on what health care would work with government control
 
Old 05-10-2012, 05:19 AM
 
Location: North America
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There is a lot of talk about how universal healthcare and similar public programs is socialism and a lot of people don't want socialism in their country. But if universal healthcare is socialism since it's provided by the government with tax payer money isn't public education also socialism then? If it is socialism should we get rid of it because of that?

No, if public education is axed, only the people who can afford it would educate their kids.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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My school district's budget is less than 10% from the feds. They could tell the feds no thanks any day the district wants. I think the district could cut 7% without much thought.

All this talk about federal control is BS. Just say no. Most of that money funds lunch anyway.
 
Old 05-10-2012, 06:36 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default Do you think that public education is socialism and if so should we get rid of it?

Some posters on this forum lack perspective. Maybe they just haven't been around much. Maybe they can't see past the end of their noses.

Of course public education is socialistic. Every collective endeavor is. That would include water systems, armed forces, law enforcement, and highways.

Get rid of it? That's crazy talk. For those who feel the burdens of living in a social setting outweigh the advantages, you can go back to the basics and set up your off-the-grid cabin in an isolated rural setting with no paved roads, no water/sewer, and distant public schools. That option is available to those who seek to go it alone and live the self-sufficient lifestyle. And there's nothing wrong with that option for those who prefer it.

Those who want a normal life will continue to take advantage of all the opportunites that American society offers.

Me? I feel very fortunate to have been born and raised in the USA. I've been to and worked in the 3rd world, where the social coherence is pretty minimal. Those folks certainly aren't "more free" than we are, even though their "tax burden" is very minimal. Their opportunites are even more minimal. I'll take America any day of the week. And the dues for living in America include taxes that I'm glad to pay, because I recognize the benefits.
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