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For one: let's agree that a sufficient majority of African American voters oppose gay rights that we can, for the sake of argument, refer to "the African American" vote without regard to the supportive minority that we all know exists, agreed?
For two: if gays have, as a rule, always come to the aid of African Americans, you believe that African Americans don't owe the gay community reciprocal support?
Three: you didn't address my point that states that an African American person refusing to support gays is ideologically absurd.
One: I can't agree with your position on a majority of AAs opposing gay rights. Opposing homosexuality? Sure. But gay rights? Neither of us have the data to know this as fact.
Two: Who says gays have always come to the aid of AAs? Where are you getting this information? There are gays TODAY who are racist, let alone decades ago. Did you read the article I posted?
Three: There's nothing to address. It's not "ideologically absurd". Is it absurd if Italians, the Irish, Jews, women, Hispanics and Asians oppose homosexuality? I will repeat, blacks owe gay people nothing. Get over yourselves.
One: I can't agree with your position on a majority of AAs opposing gay rights. Opposing homosexuality? Sure. But gay rights? Neither of us have the data to know this as fact.
Two: Who says gays have always come to the aid of AAs? Where are you getting this information? There are gays TODAY who are racist, let alone decades ago. Did you read the article I posted?
Three: There's nothing to address. It's not "ideologically absurd". Is it absurd if Italians, the Irish, Jews, women, Hispanics and Asians oppose homosexuality? I will repeat, blacks owe gay people nothing. Get over yourselves.
Fixed. Would you like to make snide comments that reveal ones stupidity, or would you like to have an entertaining troll session?
As previously stated, the absurdity is having a goal but maintaining values that serve to prevent the accomplishment of that goal.
Serving ones self-interest is a tenet of Christianity. Assisting gays in their efforts to attain equality serves the intersts of African Americans. Therefore, supporting gays is not contradictory to the religious beliefs of Christians.
I'll return for number two when this one is finished.
Homosexuality is described as an abomination in the bible. So why would a Christian support a measure that legitimizes homosexuality and raises it to equal status to marriage between one man and one woman? How can you say it's not contradictory? Are you confused about the the definition of contradictory?
One: I can't agree with your position on a majority of AAs opposing gay rights. Opposing homosexuality? Sure. But gay rights? Neither of us have the data to know this as fact.
That's sufficient.
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Two: Who says gays have always come to the aid of AAs? Where are you getting this information? There are gays TODAY who are racist, let alone decades ago. Did you read the article I posted?
No. I don't patronize the Huffington Post, and the title lead me to believe that you were using an example of an angry person using a racist term to claim that remarkable racism exists within the gay movement. Was I mistaken?
I'll get back to the symbiotic relationship between the gay and Civil Rights movements.
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Three: There's nothing to address. It's not "ideologically absurd". Is it absurd if Italians, the Irish, Jews, women, Hispanics and Asians oppose homosexuality? I will repeat, blacks owe gay people nothing. Get over yourselves.
Women and Hispanics, yes. I don't think Jews and Asians have benefitted by the Civil Rights movement as have other classes. Irish are not a protected class.
Do you believe that the African American community would benefit from restoring the Civil Rights Act to it's strength of the late 70's?
I agree AA & gay rights are not particularly correlated, but those who utilize their political power to deny gays their full civil rights are the same folks who brought you oppression of people of color and women over the past 300 years. Many black folks realize as much and are slowly coming around to the idea of accepting gay marriage rights, like the Prezzie.
That's the beauty of liberal politics. Liberals have an understanding that they don't all look alike, think alike or have the same convictions and beliefs. Liberals don't even all want the same thing but they know if they band together like a federation they can achieve separate goals. The Black Church has been voting along with the GLBT community for long time for that reason. I would think most blacks and Hispanics would vote similarly on this issue.
Homosexuality is described as an abomination in the bible. So why would a Christian support a measure that legitimizes homosexuality and raises it to equal status to marriage between one man and one woman? How can you say it's not contradictory? Are you confused about the the definition of contradictory?
Would you please comment on the following, to which you didn't:
As previously stated, the absurdity is having a goal but maintaining values that serve to prevent the accomplishment of that goal.
That's the beauty of liberal politics. Liberals have an understanding that they don't all look alike, think alike or have the same convictions and beliefs. Liberals don't even all want the same thing but they know if they band together like a federation they can achieve separate goals. The Black Church has been voting along with the GLBT community for long time for that reason. I would think most blacks and Hispanics would vote similarly on this issue.
No. I don't patronize the Huffington Post, and the title lead me to believe that you were using an example of an angry person using a racist term to claim that remarkable racism exists within the gay movement. Was I mistaken?
Who said anything about "remarkable" racism? You are suggesting that gays support black people; I'm presenting an opposing viewpoint.
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I'll get back to the symbiotic relationship between the gay and Civil Rights movements.
Why not get back to the symbolic relationship between gays and women and their fight for equal rights?
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Women and Hispanics, yes. I don't think Jews and Asians have benefitted by the Civil Rights movement as have other classes. Irish are not a protected class.
Do you believe that the African American community would benefit from restoring the Civil Rights Act to it's strength of the late 70's?
What does the CRM have to do with supporting homosexuality? Where is your proof that gays were outspoken in their support of blacks during the CRM? Until you can provide proof of this, you have no point.
I will repeat, blacks owe gays nothing except what they owe anyone else: respect and compassion. Anything else is voluntary. We won't be shamed into supporting gays, no matter how bad some people would like us to. To suggest otherwise is really quite insulting.
I agree AA & gay rights are not particularly correlated, but those who utilize their political power to deny gays their full civil rights are the same folks who brought you oppression of people of color and women over the past 300 years. Many black folks realize as much and are slowly coming around to the idea of accepting gay marriage rights, like the Prezzie.
Accepting gay rights is not the same as agreeing with homosexuality. I support gay marriage, but I don't agree with homosexuality. There is a difference.
I do realize that some people who oppose gay rights now, also opposed equal rights for blacks in the past. Not seeing what difference that makes.
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