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Old 05-11-2012, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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As I just told another poster, this is the United States of America where one is innocent until proven guilty.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You seem a bit unfamiliar with how the legal system works here.

1. The plaintiffs provide their evidence of an offense.
2. The defendants provide their evidence of innocence.
3. The judge decides which side has proved their case.

The request here in the thread was to be shown "accredited documented instances of him clearly violating a persons civil rights and 'other abuses.'" That is what is contained in the complaint. So yes... those are "allegations."

The judge will decide whether or not they are also proof.

Not you.
True - but Shabazz(who is a fellow Los Angeles County citizen - that counts for something in my book!) thinks that the complaint is actual proof of wrongdoing. Semantics placed aside - this is the claim that is being countered. Most people here agree with you that nothing can be substantiated until the matter is adjudicated. Shabazz needs to be patient or at least qualify his posts with a statement that this is his opinion.

Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Dodgers, Angels, and Galaxy are all playing at the same time - who could have imagined that!
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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You seem a bit unfamiliar with how the legal system works here.

1. The plaintiffs provide their evidence of an offense.
2. The defendants provide their evidence of innocence.
3. The judge decides which side has proved their case.

The request here in the thread was to be shown "accredited documented instances of him clearly violating a persons civil rights and 'other abuses.'" That is what is contained in the complaint. So yes... those are "allegations."

The judge will decide whether or not they are also proof.

Not you.
Yet you and some others in here have already decided that he is guilty. Maybe you should heed your own words.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
You seem a bit unfamiliar with how the legal system works here.

1. The plaintiffs provide their evidence of an offense.
2. The defendants provide their evidence of innocence.
3. The judge decides which side has proved their case.

The request here in the thread was to be shown "accredited documented instances of him clearly violating a persons civil rights and 'other abuses.'" That is what is contained in the complaint. So yes... those are "allegations."

The judge will decide whether or not they are also proof.

Not you.
So in other words as it stands now there is no accredited proof the Sheriff has broken any laws, thanks for confirming that for me

Methinks you need to brush up on certain things:

presumption of innocence

Innocent until proven guilty legal definition of Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until proven guilty synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

I know you want this to be a socialist paradise but until that happens this is still the United States of America.....
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:38 PM
 
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About freaking time! This piece of trash needs to be locked away.

The Justice Department Has Had It with Sheriff Joe - Yahoo! News
The remainder of us have had it with drug lord Holder. White trash in a black bag.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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True - but Shabazz(who is a fellow Los Angeles County citizen - that counts for something in my book!) thinks that the complaint is actual proof of wrongdoing.
And it may very well be. The judge has not yet spoken.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Yet you and some others in here have already decided that he is guilty.
This is a complete falsehood. I have been excruciatingly clear since my first post in both threads on this subject that it is up to the judge to decide that. Not me. And not you.

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Maybe you should heed your own words.
You are projecting.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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So in other words as it stands now there is no accredited proof the Sheriff has broken any laws, thanks for confirming that for me
Not necessarily true. As it stands now, the judge has not ruled that the evidence briefed on the complaint (and that will be covered in far greater detail in court) is proof or not. But if the judge rules that it is... guess what?

You already have in your possession the "accredited proof" you were looking for.

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Methinks you need to brush up on certain things:
And you would be wrong, again.

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I know you want this to be a socialist paradise.....
And you would be wrong, again.

Your consistency is noteworthy.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Gone
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It hasn't been "proven" that he has done any of those things. Are you an armchair detective and/or judge?
Nope, never claimed to be either. There seems to be plenty of evidence, where there is smoke there is usually fire. But as I said before, let's see what the courts say.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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True - but Shabazz(who is a fellow Los Angeles County citizen - that counts for something in my book!) thinks that the complaint is actual proof of wrongdoing. Semantics placed aside - this is the claim that is being countered. Most people here agree with you that nothing can be substantiated until the matter is adjudicated. Shabazz needs to be patient or at least qualify his posts with a statement that this is his opinion.

Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Dodgers, Angels, and Galaxy are all playing at the same time - who could have imagined that!
Iím not going to lie Iíve have an opinion on weather Joe is innocent or guilty. Most departments donít rack up that many complaints so similar in nature without good reason. To me there is a pattern and the burden of proof is on Joe. All this talk about being innocent until proven guilty only applies to trials and sentencing. As long as youíre not a judge or on the jury itís perfectly normal to have an opinion before the trial.

Iím pretty sure you had an opinion on weather OJ Simpson was guilty before the trial. And Iím pretty sure you had an opinion once he walked away a free man.
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