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Old 05-11-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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This is incredible. U.S. law enforcement must have a lot to learn from the Germans.

World News - German police fired just 85 bullets total in 2011
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This is incredible. U.S. law enforcement must have a lot to learn from the Germans.

World News - German police fired just 85 bullets total in 2011
Maybe the Germans don't give any of their officers more bullets than Andy Taylor gave to Barnie Fife. That could account for some of this and then they don't have nearly as many people as we do.

I suppose you are leading up to taking the guns away from Americans.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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And how many bullets are fired at police on an annual basis in the US? Are you saying we should disarm the police and let the bad guys fire away at them?
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well, gun laws are much stricter. You need a license, background check, insurance, and personal references based on absolute need to own a small firearms...outside of flintlocks and muzzle-loaders. There is no concealed carry permits, and this is very well enforced. Rifles for hunting use need a similar type of check, but is only valid for rifles and not small arms. There is no NRA screaming they need to concealed carry or assault rifles.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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And how many bullets are fired at police on an annual basis in the US? Are you saying we should disarm the police and let the bad guys fire away at them?

I don't think that it would be a stretch to say that the police in the U.S. have a number of incidents where they have fired more times in a day what the German police shot in a year, but by the same token 62 police officers were killed by gun fire in 2011. Police in the U.S. work in a decidedly more violent environment so I'm not sure what lessons we can derive from the German experience other than we have far too many guns in the wrong hands.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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Maybe the Germans don't give any of their officers more bullets than Andy Taylor gave to Barnie Fife.
I think you can count on the German Polizei to be as well-equipped as the situation calls for.

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That could account for some of this and then they don't have nearly as many people as we do.
Sure, it's about 1/4th. So - US law enforcement could fire, let's just say, 350 rounds per year and retain the same average.

Having encountered the German police several times, I won't hesitate to call them models of proper & correct behavior in law enforcement. And like most Northern European police, they're mostly bereft of swagger and bravado - plus, of course, Germans have learned a harsh lesson about unconditional respect for uniforms.

All that being said, here's a video of German police dealing with a perpetrator wielding a samurai sword. Although firearms are in presence (and I'm sure there was paperwork to be filed regarding the necessity to draw), the job was accomplished by a combination of police dog and street broom. It may be unfair, but I'm having a hard time seeing this arrest unfold the same way in a US environment...

LiveLeak.com - German police arrest man with Samurai sword
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:20 PM
 
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I don't think that it would be a stretch to say that the police in the U.S. have a number of incidents where they have fired more times in a day what the German police shot in a year, but by the same token 62 police officers were killed by gun fire in 2011. Police in the U.S. work in a decidedly more violent environment so I'm not sure what lessons we can derive from the German experience other than we have far too many guns in the wrong hands.
That is absolutely true and if stricter gun laws become the norm, there will be hardly any guns left in the right hands--police excepted, they will all be in the wrong hands.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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And how many bullets are fired at police on an annual basis in the US? Are you saying we should disarm the police and let the bad guys fire away at them?
No, I didn't say that. I was just pointing out the difference. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:35 PM
 
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That is absolutely true and if stricter gun laws become the norm, there will be hardly any guns left in the right hands--police excepted, they will all be in the wrong hands.
I seriously doubt it, despite the most fevered minds of the NRA.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:40 PM
 
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It seems to me, if the police are firing more bullets over here than Germany than I suppose we should ship our criminals over to Germany!!
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