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Old 05-12-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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It's been said a million times, so they are quoting many people. I've seen & heard that myself, but oddly it's usually from a non-Black person
Who? lol. Like I said, I haven't heard it.



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Anyone who is staunchly Democrat or Republican does that... it's called wearing partisan blinders, or at least that's what I call it
Enough dodgeball and talking in platitudes. Name drop, because honestly I haven't heard it.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Truthfully, as Obama revealed in 2007, he's strongly against Gay Marriage which fits the overall view on Gay Marriage in majority of the black community.
Where do you get that idea? I've always thought he was in favor of it, and was just being pressured by advisers to not make an official statement... that's the feeling I get when reading older quotes, and watching him field that question in interviews over the years.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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gizmo980



Who? lol. Like I said, I haven't heard it.





Enough dodgeball and talking in platitudes. Name drop, because honestly I haven't heard it.
As I said, it's been quoted by a MILLION people!! But since you want a name, Harrier said this just days ago... if you give me a few minutes, I'll dig up a direct quote for ya.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Many blacks shrug off Obama's new view on gays - Boston.com

This will anger right-wingers. They'll insist that blacks should be angry at Obama for supporting same-sex marriage. Watch for indignant reactions and faux outrage.


It's a big issue if you're gay.

Otherwise, it's way down the list of important issues for most voters.

What the Obama flip-flop on homosexual marriage really is is part of a Hail Mary! strategy designed to create as many distractions from jobs and the economy as possible.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Not from where I'm at which is why when these polls come out that I am not shocked at all that a lot of blacks aren't supportive of the gay community because in all honesty, I haven't seen it from any outside of the black gays themselves. Mind you the folks I come across aren't hardcore anti-gay types either (i.e. assaulting, pro discrimination against them etc). But the idea of their kids, friends, and working amongst gays is NOT something I think most are indifferent to. Atleast not as much as alot of the white people I know. This is especially true with the Carribean community where I live in NY.
Well, I can definitely see that being true in a Caribbean community... they have some pretty harsh views about homosexuality, coming from a more old school religious-oriented culture. But we don't have many Caribbean folks on the West Coast, so it's mostly multi-generation American Black people who vote here.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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It's a big issue if you're gay.

Otherwise, it's way down the list of important issues for most voters.
More than half of the anti-gay and anti-same-sex-marriage threads here are initiated by social conservatives. I'm assuming most of them are not gay. (Maybe that's a foolish assumption on my part.)
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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So along that same line of logic, shouldn't blacks see that gays are also entitled to that same pursit of happiness as they see fit like Whites thought blacks were after over 3 centuries of institutional oppression?
The logic doesn't follow because comparing gays and the paradigm of culture and history of African Americans aren't one in the same. When you can prove that homosexuals existed collectively on a continent, only to be removed by the millions and brought to this country under the institution of slavery, then perhaps, then and only then will blacks who are against it will begin to see their own hypocrisy. As of now you are comparing behavior with a seperate Universe of genetics, history and geopolitics.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Honestly, I haven't heard any say that. Who are you are quoting?
Here's just one. I see posts like this regularly.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/24240900-post10.html
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:39 PM
 
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Where do you get that idea? I've always thought he was in favor of it, and was just being pressured by advisers to not make an official statement... that's the feeling I get when reading older quotes, and watching him field that question in interviews over the years.
My bad, it was in 2004...

NBC Politics - The 'evolution' of Obama's stance on gay marriage

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Obama’s Wednesday announcement was a reversal of his 2004 view that “marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." At that time, he also indicated that civil unions were adequate for gays and lesbians. He contended that the difference between marriage and civil unions was partly just a matter of “semantics.”
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:40 PM
 
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The logic doesn't follow because comparing gays and the paradigm of culture and history of African Americans aren't one in the same. When you can prove that homosexuals existed collectively on a continent, only to be removed by the millions and brought to this country under the institution of slavery, then perhaps, then and only then will blacks who are against it will begin to see their own hypocrisy. As of now you are comparing behavior with a seperate Universe of genetics, history and geopolitics.
This is America. People should have the right to do as they please and not be restricted institutionally from doing so.

It doesn't matter what their background is.

To compare two instances of institutional prejudice and dismiss one of them because of a "But he/she had it much better off than me" attitude is close-minded and ignorant.
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