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Old 05-12-2012, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I think you have made quite a leap in conjecture to arrive at your points. I have not seen any information supporting your claim that people are moving from the blue to the red states.
Take a look at this map from the NYT that showed the results of redistricting after the 2010 Census. Most of the gains were in red states, and losses were in blue states. Texas gained 4 seats, by far the most. Ohio and NY, both blue, lost 2.
Which States Will Gain or Lose Seats in Congress - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com

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As for California and Reagan, he is largely responsible for the problems that state has experienced. Pandering to the rich at the expense of the common worker, they've driven up housing, keeping the property taxes low, and gutting the services to the people that perform most of the work for too little pay.
It seems strange to blame RR, who was gov 40 years ago, for problems that have cropped up in the last 5-10 years. Cali was in fine shape even 20 years after Reagan departed, having spawned the whole PC industry in the 1980's. Even if Reagan's policies were disastrous as you say, wouldn't there have been plenty of time for people like Jerry and Willie Brown to correct them?
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Some one with the ability to reason better then a toddler would understand the difference between correlation/causation, wouldn't assign areas their voting preference by personal opinion, wouldn't take a single months unemployment numbers ruling out all economic platforms (and even differences between local laws), ignore any history of employment changes, and wouldn't take an economic picture of thousands of variables and simply rule it to a partisan diarrhea over logic.

So It fits pretty well actually. The only difference is that toddlers of at least average intelligence would realize their mistake and try to learn not to do them in the future.

It's not considered an insult to state simple facts, even if they happen to be insulting in exposing a persons stupidity.
As another poster said, when 14 of the 16 worst areas of unemployment come from one particular state, it maybe, just might be a subtle, telltale indicator.

It is true that there is such a thing as oversimplification; it's equally true that there is such a thing as overcomplication. We all have seen the prof who throws up castles of complexities to try to persuade us that up is down and down is up.

Remember Orwells line: "You must be an intellectual. Only an intellectual could say something so stupid."
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:09 PM
 
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As another poster said, when 14 of the 16 worst areas of unemployment come from one particular state, it maybe, just might be a subtle, telltale indicator.
Not when those metro areas make up about 10% of the entire population of the state.

But since you want to point fingers and blame one party, please explain why the unemployment rate is so high in Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi.
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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California's Central Valley got hammered b/c the government allowed the environmentalists to cut off the water to save a small fish. The farmers literally begged the federal government to turn back on the water so they could save their farms, but the federal government ignored their pleas. And now the area is dealing with the catastrophic results of those decisions:

Calif. farmers say feds make drought worse - USATODAY.com





Fighting for Water

If y'all want to politicize this thread, please note WHEN the water was restricted for the San Joaquin Valley. From a link above:

"...The federal restrictions arise from environmental suits brought under the Endangered Species Act that argue pulling water out of the delta harms fish. A federal judge in 2007 ordered new biological studies and restrictions on water pumped out of the delta for farmers..."

Who was President in 2007?
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I heard someone talking about this on the radio yesterday so I decided to look it up. An interesting table of unemployment numbers:

Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

Look at the areas with lowest unemployment. Other than Ames, Iowa at #4 with 4.1%, the low ranked areas are almost all in RED states. Now scroll to the bottom of the list. Of the bottom 18 areas (highest unemployment) 3 are in NJ, one in AZ, and the other 14 all in California. El Centro, CA takes absolute last place with 26.2%. If find that stunning--as a kid growing up, back when Ronald Reagan was gov, CA was the jewel of the nation. At some point, nearly everyone I knew had fantasies of moving there.

No wonder people are moving from blue to red states, and the reds are gaining house seats. The Tenth Amendment, and our system of united states, of fifty 'laboratories of democracy,' remains an underrated strength of the US even as people worry about American decline.

Romney should make this list the 'gospel of Mitt' as he goes forward with his campaign.
14 of the 24 urban areas with the lowest unemployment are cities which are benefiting from the current oil patch hiring boom.

Drilling activity is the highest in decades, the number of rigs working is the most in about 40 years, production is up and increasing, new fields are being discovered, off-shore fields (including deep water) are open for business again and the US is now a net exporter of refined products.

All of this has happened on Obama's watch. Will he credit for it here? Naw...not a chance.
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Old 05-12-2012, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I'll be more pleased with the red states' unemployment rate when they rise above the average in mean and median household income levels.
A lot of the red states, especially those in the South, have large minority populations, they bring down the averages.
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Old 05-13-2012, 12:06 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I heard someone talking about this on the radio yesterday so I decided to look it up. An interesting table of unemployment numbers:

Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

Look at the areas with lowest unemployment. Other than Ames, Iowa at #4 with 4.1%, the low ranked areas are almost all in RED states. Now scroll to the bottom of the list. Of the bottom 18 areas (highest unemployment) 3 are in NJ, one in AZ, and the other 14 all in California. El Centro, CA takes absolute last place with 26.2%. If find that stunning--as a kid growing up, back when Ronald Reagan was gov, CA was the jewel of the nation. At some point, nearly everyone I knew had fantasies of moving there.

No wonder people are moving from blue to red states, and the reds are gaining house seats. The Tenth Amendment, and our system of united states, of fifty 'laboratories of democracy,' remains an underrated strength of the US even as people worry about American decline.

Romney should make this list the 'gospel of Mitt' as he goes forward with his campaign.
The real difference is not so much by general political affiliation; it's more by economic importance. The top of that list is disproportionately made up of small places in the middle of BFE! And some of them had the sheer luck of being located near some pretty good natural gas reserves that just recently became economically viable thanks to technological innovation. Of course the small places in the middle of nowhere that never had much of an economic ride up the chain in the last decade don't have as far to fall - but they also never really grew all that much. Places like... Grand Forks, ND? What the hell do they do for the national GDP?

As you go down the list, you increasingly run into bigger cities that experienced a bigger housing boom. It's natural that those will be the ones with higher unemployment right now.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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A lot of the red states, especially those in the South, have large minority populations, they bring down the averages.
Are you saying minorities are paid less for the same work?
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:41 AM
 
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I heard someone talking about this on the radio yesterday so I decided to look it up. An interesting table of unemployment numbers:

Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

Look at the areas with lowest unemployment. Other than Ames, Iowa at #4 with 4.1%, the low ranked areas are almost all in RED states. Now scroll to the bottom of the list. Of the bottom 18 areas (highest unemployment) 3 are in NJ, one in AZ, and the other 14 all in California. El Centro, CA takes absolute last place with 26.2%. If find that stunning--as a kid growing up, back when Ronald Reagan was gov, CA was the jewel of the nation. At some point, nearly everyone I knew had fantasies of moving there.

No wonder people are moving from blue to red states, and the reds are gaining house seats. The Tenth Amendment, and our system of united states, of fifty 'laboratories of democracy,' remains an underrated strength of the US even as people worry about American decline.

Romney should make this list the 'gospel of Mitt' as he goes forward with his campaign.
The reason unemployment is high in California is because of the loss of construction jobs in housing. If you are not a construction worker or a residential Realtor, you can find work here. Unemployment is low in red states because nobody wants to live there. Ames Iowa? Sounds like Paradise on Earth to me! Unemployment is low in Williston too. It is about zero percent. You can go there today and make $60,000 or more a year if sleeping in a car in minus 20 degree temps turns you on. But if you want to live a good life, California awaits you!
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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And another thing: Wait until the RED states stop getting so much largess from the Federal Government in the form of military spending, bridges to nowhere and farm programs. Then we will see what REAL unemployment looks like.
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