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Old 05-13-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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As a non smoker myself I would prefer if you "smokers" would not "smoke" in a restuarant and obviously there are Laws against that already.
In a bar or nightclub? I have no problem since that is to be expected but do "smokers" even realize how much they smell?
How horrible is the smell of a smoker? You can get into someone's car and tell if they are a "smoker" or their "house" or their "clothes"!
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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As a non smoker myself I would prefer if you "smokers" would not "smoke" in a restuarant and obviously there are Laws against that already.
In a bar or nightclub? I have no problem since that is to be expected but do "smokers" even realize how much they smell?
How horrible is the smell of a smoker? You can get into someone's car and tell if they are a "smoker" or their "house" or their "clothes"!

have you ever smelled a drunk
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:48 PM
 
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Smoking is illegal in public establishments in Michigan (except Casino).

Of course, the people in the State of Michigan haven't been too keen on actually following laws these days.

You almost have to wonder what's the point in having laws in this state if most people won't abide by them.
Yeah, i figured it was probably illegal. I remember sitting down in a bar here after not being here for 10 years and seeing everyone lite up. I did a double take and took out my cigs. The waitress came by and dropped off an ashtray. Not even a window was open

Yea, about the other laws too. I notice many bars here serve well after 2am and serve to people under 21. A lot of the local cops are friends with the local business owners and their wallets are greased by the business. They got no interest in being in the right place and right time to bust it. Whenever I hit one of those fancy bars/clubs in dt/mt it's all business like the rest of the country. TBH, downtown doesn't feel like detroit to me.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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just a question?? don't get on me case..


now look at it this way, thay have practically banned cigarette smoking in all public places, then why not ban alcohol in public places!!! just think of all the lives that would be saved from people not leaving bars and resturants drunk. thousands of people die from drunk drivers, drunks with guns, drunks with attitudes..


i say no!!! but what do the nanny staters say???
What a brilliant analogy!

Name me one case where somebody developed cirrhosis of the liver after sitting next to somebody in a bar.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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I'm not prostituting anyone's liberty.
I said you prostituted your liberty. You may not see it in that light because of a desired result but nonetheless that is what you have done.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:41 PM
 
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What a brilliant analogy!

Name me one case where somebody developed cirrhosis of the liver after sitting next to somebody in a bar.

you got proof of that


Drunk driving statistics here's how many people died from drunk drivers in 2009,,10,839 fatalities
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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just a question?? don't get on me case..


now look at it this way, thay have practically banned cigarette smoking in all public places, then why not ban alcohol in public places!!! just think of all the lives that would be saved from people not leaving bars and resturants drunk. thousands of people die from drunk drivers, drunks with guns, drunks with attitudes..


i say no!!! but what do the nanny staters say???

Speaking from experience in working in bars and nightclubs in my area for many years, I can say alcohol causes a lot of issues. With that said however; no I don't support a ban.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:54 PM
 
Location: On the Ohio River in Western, KY
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just a question?? don't get on me case..

now look at it this way, thay have practically banned cigarette smoking in all public places, then why not ban alcohol in public places!!! just think of all the lives that would be saved from people not leaving bars and resturants drunk. thousands of people die from drunk drivers, drunks with guns, drunks with attitudes..

i say no!!! but what do the nanny staters say???
They tried that before, it was called Prohibition. Didn't work then, won't work now.

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For all intents and purpose, a private establishment in which the public is allowed to enter is the same as a public establishment. Because, in effect, you're responsible for whatever happens in that building with those people (I.E., if they slip and fall, you're responsible, if they eat rotten food from your store, you're responsible, etc.). Furthermore, if your business is "open to the public", you can't restrict the "public" to only a certain demographic. For example, I should have as much as a right to enter your private establishment that's open to the public as the 56 year old white male that did. There are exceptions of course. Indecent exposure is one (thus the no shirt, no shoies, no service thing). Hair color is not a protected class of discrimination, but I wouldn't recommend anyone discriminates against it.

Now, if you don't want the government to interfere with your private establishment, then you don't allow the public to enter.
I agree. It should be up to the bar owner.

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The fact of the matter is the non-smoker isn't carelessly releasing an toxin that's the leading cause of lung cancer around other people.
Orly? What about the car exhaust that your vehicle spewed out getting to and from the bar? That's MUCH worse than cigarette smoke.

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...and the fact of the matter is if you walk into an establishment that allows smoking that is your responsibility. I know you're willing to prostitute that liberty for something you want, frankly you don't deserve it to begin with.


A-damn-men!

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i know a guy that is about 56, that has been drinking all his life.. i give him another 5 years at the most to live..

a sneeze would knock him over!!!
And one of the World's oldest women lived into her teens and smoked and drank daily.

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here in the us vi the cigarette ban has killed a lot of business. you cant even smoke in a bar that has no walls or roof, its funny to see all the people congregating twenty feet from the establishment all puffin away
Not all states have state wide smoking bans, in fact in my area, you can smoke in ANY bar or resturant that serves alcohol. So smoking at th ebar area at Tumbleweed is fine, but not at Denny's.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:59 PM
 
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I never choked or coughed on anyone's beer who was sitting by me...or went home with my hair and clothes smelling like beer.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:51 AM
 
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Minimum Alcohol Pricing would be very effective in curbing the problem. If beers in a public place are $30 a piece, then the bars would still make money and people would drink less, or at least drink at home where they would be safer and less likely to harm others.
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