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Old 05-14-2012, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The troops we are bringing home from overseas need to be stationed along our borders. If the Federal Govt will not do it, the states must.

Our border states are not safe.

Forty-nine headless corpses found in Mexico | Reuters
First, the States have no authority over the federal military. Second, the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the President from deploying the military to enforce domestic law, such as immigration.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Legalize, regulate and tax. That works for alcohol and tobacco. Why not for MJ, Coke and speed?

IMHO there are a few very well connected people in both the US and Mexico making very large fortunes off the drug trade and do not want their gravy train derailed by common sense.

Also the Mexican government fears revolution more than drug gangs so they keep guns under control. Or so they think.

I do not understand the motives for the atrocities in the OP. I would suggest to the Mexican government they hunt down the perpetrators and treat them harshly enough to make other thugs think twice about mass murder. Drug smuggling is one thing but mass murder is intolerable.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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Legalize, regulate and tax. That works for alcohol and tobacco. Why not for MJ, Coke and speed?

IMHO there are a few very well connected people in both the US and Mexico making very large fortunes off the drug trade and do not want their gravy train derailed by common sense.

Also the Mexican government fears revolution more than drug gangs so they keep guns under control. Or so they think.

I do not understand the motives for the atrocities in the OP. I would suggest to the Mexican government they hunt down the perpetrators and treat them harshly enough to make other thugs think twice about mass murder. Drug smuggling is one thing but mass murder is intolerable.
Legalize, regulate and tax. Weapons.

There are indications that many victims -- such as the recent 49 near Monterrey actually were not drug traffickers but rather kidnap for ransom victims. These 49 were possibly would-be illegals headed to the open USA border and this open border has done everything to encourage the cartels to become involved in human trafficking and holding their "migrants" hostage until more fees are paid and of course killing the "migrants" of the opposing group.

Now exactly how does legalizing drugs or anything in the USA stop the killing of hostages when their families didn't come up with ransom money or the opposing cartel decided to kill them because they belonged to another cartel?

Several of the big pits filled with bodies very likely had nothing to do with drug traffickers about to run drugs over the border.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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Anyhow it's futile to expect much to be done when the Obama adminiistration is hell-bent on supplying these criminal organizations their weapons of choise and refuses to get any control over the border.

The cartels control the border, they control the human trafficking and now are killing dozens of hostages at a time because it's very easy to hold these would-be illegals hostage for ransom. The US government will not take back control over the border -- we all should wonder why.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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It has been for five years. And for many more before that, it was on a downhill slide. And there's no end in sight.
Make that five hundred, not five. In the nearly five centuries of it's existence, from Cortes to Calderon, Mexico has never been a truly stable, free nation. It has always been a place of violence, revolution, dictatorship, corruption, crime, and economic hardship.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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In other words, the economy is so crappy even illegal aliens can't find a job.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Go tell Obummers. He is the ONLY one that can do anything about it.

B.S., the border states Governor's can mobilize the rest of their National Guard to do a "exercise" along the border of undetermined length. Of course it will come out of their own pockets.

But the biggest "obstacle" any President will have will be overcoming big business and their lobbyists. Not the actual securing of the border.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Mexico had over seventy years of relative quiet between 1930 and 2000; it also had single-party rule via a method only moderately-differentiated from other dictatorships, and very little personal freedom -- either economic or social. Eventually, a modest middle class emerged, and demanded reform -- it came, but very grudgingly, and it's difficult to separate the actual evolution of a parliamentary process from the window-dressing.

As with the gang problem in American cities, the threat of violence appears to be confined largely to active participants; whether they are involved of their own free will is not always clear. But I don't see any role for the United States to play beyond the securing of our borders, and I retain my skepticism as to which methods would prove effective.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Meanwhile Obama is doing all he can to bring more of Mexico into the USA -- cheap labor after all. He's weakening border patrol and promising as much as he can to all foreigners who break the laws of the USA.
Another myth.

Fewer Illegal Immigrants Crossing Southwest Border - ABC News

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U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) statistics released today indicate that in fiscal 2011, fewer people tried to cross the southwest U.S. border illegally, but those who did were often caught smuggling drugs or money. The agency says border enforcement is much tougher because of increased manpower and its use of new high-tech tools such as surveillance drones.
The new numbers show that 340,252 people were detained at the border in last fiscal year. That number represents a 58 percent decline since 2008, and a significant drop from the 1.6 million caught in 2000.
So as you can see, less and less people are attempting to enter illegally, and those that are; are the criminal "horde" and most of them are being caught.

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But while arrests are down, the numbers reveal that a higher percentage of those arrested were drug smugglers or other kinds of criminals. CBP officers and agents seized nearly 5 million pounds of narcotics, a 20 percent increase from FY 2010 and confiscated more than $126 million in undeclared currency.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Holiday, FL
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First, the States have no authority over the federal military. Second, the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the President from deploying the military to enforce domestic law, such as immigration.
You'll also find that the majority of soldiers coming back are members of national guard. When not serving in a federal commitment (such as Iraq), they are under the governor of each state. They are called up by those governors when a disaster strikes and are available in each state when the governor feels the situation calls for it. In the past, they have been used to re-enforce the police force. They are available to protect the citizens of the state.

But, with the current economic conditions, with reduced revenue because of the recent devaluation of property (meaning reduced property taxes, among other things), with many state deficits already being high, calling up the Reserves would put additional financial burdens on the states.
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