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Old 05-14-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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There you go attacking people. Why do you feel a need to do that?

There is much more in the Bible than the five times you referenced. But since you are a Bible Scholar, I guess you should have already known that.
Because I'm fed up with Conservative Christians demonizing millions of people based on a poor understanding of an ancient book.

And there are the 2 Leviticus verses, which are the same thing, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and technically Timothy, however, the issue with Timothy is the same as 1 Corinthians 6:9, so I don't count them as separate verses. Genesis and Sodom have nothing to do with homosexuality, despite the abuse of that verse by conservatives, so I don't count that either.

At most you have between 5-7 verses, out of 37,000+ that ever even discuss same-sex behavior, and only 1 of them talks about women (Lesbians are homosexuals too you know, and the Hebrew Bible never says a word about them).

And FYI, Jesus said not a word on the subject. He sure said a lot about all the sins Conservatives commit in great number though, but they generally go ignored.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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Islam is a religious faith. The pompous christians don't see any problem in attacking islam.
Looking in the mirror is a good idea, Jesus might approve of that. But christians don't really have anything to do with Jesus, do they?
And let's not forget Jews. There are more than a fair share of Christians who still today blame Jews for killing Jesus, and it's a large cause of worldwide anti-semitism.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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You know, I don't think that's true. Real Christians do not feel this way. It's some perverted interpretation of Christianity that makes these types of hateful arguments.
I would agree, but it seems there are an awful lot of that brand of "Christian" on this board and in America.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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For the same reasons the USA is infested with anti-straight bigots who definitely have a bias against the normal heterosexual male.
Really? Things changed in a year and a half abroad...
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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Because I'm fed up with Conservative Christians demonizing millions of people based on a poor understanding of an ancient book.

And there are the 2 Leviticus verses, which are the same thing, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and technically Timothy, however, the issue with Timothy is the same as 1 Corinthians 6:9, so I don't count them as separate verses. Genesis and Sodom have nothing to do with homosexuality, despite the abuse of that verse by conservatives, so I don't count that either.

At most you have between 5-7 verses, out of 37,000+ that ever even discuss same-sex behavior, and only 1 of them talks about women (Lesbians are homosexuals too you know, and the Hebrew Bible never says a word about them).

And FYI, Jesus said not a word on the subject. He sure said a lot about all the sins Conservatives commit in great number though, but they generally go ignored.
You are right. I'm sure that God will judge all sinners based on how they lived their life. Everyone struggles with these internal demons. The bigger problem here is that (some) gays try to gain social acceptance as a way to justify their sinful ways. Prostitutes, pedophiles, thieves, etc. all do this as well.
We are all sinners, BUT... it is much worse to teach others to sin.
We all know that drugs are bad for you. But, pushing drugs on others is much worse. Same goes for homosexual behavior. keep it to yourself!
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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We all know that drugs are bad for you. But, pushing drugs on others is much worse. Same goes for homosexual behavior. keep it to yourself!
Are you talking about gay people seducing straight people? LOL That only happens in porn!
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Murika
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Maybe the group is heavily involved in the way many of us feel about those who want to live as they do. I wonder if they have ever brainwashed any small children to live their way. I consider them to be the bigoted ones but you call me a bigot. I guess neither of us is very tolerant, huh.
Ahem, roy - YOU are the one who thought expatriating undesirable people was a good idea.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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Many Americans thrive on intolerance. Americans are basically christians and that religion does not have the reputation for tolerance. Not only are christians rabidly anti-gay, but against other minorities, including atheists, people of other religions, racial and ethnic groups.
It seems that the christians regard themselves as superior and all others as inferior.
as opposed to the Religion of Peace that advocates murdering anyone who is not part of the Muslim faith? How is the tolerance level there?

How are homosexuals treated by the Muslim faith compared to the Christian religion?
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:45 PM
 
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If you want to convince me, first you'll have to stop using cute little labels, and once you do that, you'll have to demonstrate how homosexuality enhances procreation and propagation of the human species to ensure its continued survival on Earth. You'll also have to show explicity in no uncertain terms, exactly where the line is drawn with respect to vague and ambiguous terms like"sexual preference" and "sexual orientation."

Rationally...

Mircea

Are you capable of evaluating each issue as it comes up on its own?

If you are, then you can answer all your own questions regarding "where the line is drawn."

Everything stands on its own. If your biggest gripe (besides the mumbo jumbo about "gay = anti-life" -- talk about some offthewall tripe!) is that "someday beastiality adherents will want rights...... then you HAVE NO argument.

If, on the offchance that these "others" come knocking years from now, you don't have independent, RATIONAL arguments based in REALITY and POLICY to disallow man-beast marriage, or man-child marriage (the most obvious to anyone operating with half a brain is the consent argument on both accounts).... then why disallow it?


Each policy decision should stand on its own. The line is drawn when a rational argument can be developed that isn't absurd (i.e. your appeal to cosmic order and nature... or whatever that is/was!)
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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as opposed to the Religion of Peace that advocates murdering anyone who is not part of the Muslim faith? How is the tolerance level there?

How are homosexuals treated by the Muslim faith compared to the Christian religion?

Two sides of the same coin.

One flat out wants to kill gays. The other wants to oppress them into submission.


Both are whacked out their damned minds. In a just world, those kind of people would be locked up in ASYLUMS, but unfortunately humanity has grown to accept mass hysteria, delusion and personality disorder typified by conservative religious sects as "faith" and we're asked to swallow and accept it without question!
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