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Old 10-10-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
He committed fraud, and was trying to develop his own MMR vaccine that he would market. That's why he had to make people mistrust the vaccine already available.
He did nothing wrong, as will be proved..........Dr. Andrew Wakefield

 
Old 10-10-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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Oh please. If the vaccine caused polio where is all the polio now?
According to the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are 30,000 to 50'000 cases of viral or aseptic meningitus per year in the U.S. alone....THAT'S where all the cases of polio have gone....new definition, new diagnostics, new name....same disease.......New Paper – Polio Vaccine – Disease Caused by Vaccine Twice As Fatal – Third World Duped – Scarce Money Wasted – Polio Eradication Impossible ________________Child Health Safety_________________
 
Old 10-10-2012, 11:15 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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According to the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are 30,000 to 50'000 cases of viral or aseptic meningitus per year in the U.S. alone....THAT'S where all the cases of polio have gone....new definition, new diagnostics, new name....same disease.......New Paper – Polio Vaccine – Disease Caused by Vaccine Twice As Fatal – Third World Duped – Scarce Money Wasted – Polio Eradication Impossible ________________Child Health Safety_________________
MeningiIs (not Us) is not polio. Polio is not meningitIS.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001639/

In addition:

Unlike other forms of meningitis, aseptic meningitis caused by a virus is usually a harmless disease. Less than 1% of patients have lasting symptoms. People usually recover fully 5 - 14 days after symptoms start.

Fatigue and lightheadedness may last longer in some people.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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According to the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are 30,000 to 50'000 cases of viral or aseptic meningitus per year in the U.S. alone....THAT'S where all the cases of polio have gone....new definition, new diagnostics, new name....same disease.......New Paper Polio Vaccine Disease Caused by Vaccine Twice As Fatal Third World Duped Scarce Money Wasted Polio Eradication Impossible ________________Child Health Safety_________________
That's just crazy. Do you really think health officials are so stupid they can't tell the difference between meningitis and polio?



Your "source" is a paranoid anonymous blog full of links to more paranoia.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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He did nothing wrong, as will be proved..........Dr. Andrew Wakefield
Non-disclosure in research that you are being paid by someone with a financial motive is a clear ethics violation.

You a shill for the trial lawyers too? I mean, Claud gets paid by them you should get in on the action too.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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Do not put your faith in an industry that hides the truth from you, they hide it from your doctor, as well.

1) You believe in some grand conspiracy, and for vaccines. . . Vaccines. We aren't talking about Eli Lilly doing off-label promotion of Cymbalta(one of those big fines). A case where the marketing people got ahead (but not wrong. . they had evidence it could do what they talked about. . .just not FDA level evidence)

So you want us to believe that this industry isn't being overzealous (as in the above) it is being fraudulent. Human beings know something is wrong.. .and what? stop vaccinating their own kids?

For POCKET change. Seriously, the US vaccine market is 2B. There isn't any money in it. That 2B is divided up among quite a few small companies


2 Billion not a lot of money? Viagra, one drug, at one company, was 1.9B in 2011.


There isn't an incentive here. Very few large companies are in the game (Baxter being one), and the bigger issue is that they aren't working on more vaccines to protect us in the future. I mean 2B reflects a small amount of growth.


its funny that these grand conspiracies . . whose juice isn't worth the squeeze. For the feds, for the vaccine makers, or for the doctors.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Non-disclosure in research that you are being paid by someone with a financial motive is a clear ethics violation.

You a shill for the trial lawyers too? I mean, Claud gets paid by them you should get in on the action too.
What a stupid thing to say. The shills have big pharma and gov't behind them. I am directly opposed to gov't control of sick care and their operatives that flood these forums. I seek the truth for my own benefit and the population that is being suckered by propogandists.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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1) You believe in some grand conspiracy, and for vaccines. . . Vaccines. We aren't talking about Eli Lilly doing off-label promotion of Cymbalta(one of those big fines). A case where the marketing people got ahead (but not wrong. . they had evidence it could do what they talked about. . .just not FDA level evidence)

So you want us to believe that this industry isn't being overzealous (as in the above) it is being fraudulent. Human beings know something is wrong.. .and what? stop vaccinating their own kids?

For POCKET change. Seriously, the US vaccine market is 2B. There isn't any money in it. That 2B is divided up among quite a few small companies


2 Billion not a lot of money? Viagra, one drug, at one company, was 1.9B in 2011.


There isn't an incentive here. Very few large companies are in the game (Baxter being one), and the bigger issue is that they aren't working on more vaccines to protect us in the future. I mean 2B reflects a small amount of growth.


its funny that these grand conspiracies . . whose juice isn't worth the squeeze. For the feds, for the vaccine makers, or for the doctors.
There isn't any money in it? Where do you get this garbage? Provide links.
 
Old 10-10-2012, 02:17 PM
 
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Health Cover-up Summary

"The combined profits for the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 ($35.9 billion) were more than the profits for all the other 490 businesses put together ($33.7 billion) [in 2002]. Over the past two decades the pharmaceutical industry has moved very far from its original high purpose of discovering and producing useful new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself."

-- Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine

The same companies also spend heavily to lobby governments. According to Angell, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the pharmaceutical industry's U.S. trade association has "the largest lobby in Washington," which in 2002 employed 675 lobbyists (including 26 former members of Congress) at a cost of more than $91 million. The result has been above-average growth in corporate profits during both Republican and Democratic administrations.
The most recent and perplexing lobbying effort caused Congress explicitly to prohibit Medicare from using its huge purchasing power to get lower prices for drugs, thus opening up a dollar pipeline, in the form of higher drug prices, directly from taxpayers to corporate coffers. These changes, along with the cave-in by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1997 that permitted direct-to-consumer advertising to bypass mention in their ads of all but the most serious side effects, have further augmented profits. The overall effect has been a corruption not only of science but also of the dissemination of science.
Angell documents that, contrary to what they claim, large pharmaceutical companies have "paltry output" in innovative research. In fact, as permitted by Bayh-Dole, pharmaceutical companies buy discoveries coming out of the basic-science enterprises, including universities and publicly funded granting agencies. The real costs of research on drugs by pharmaceutical companies are much less than the oft-quoted $800 million or so per new drug brought to market. Most of their research is on me-too drugs unoriginal, tax-deductible (and thus paid for in lost taxes by the public), and mostly unnecessary. The Big Pharma companies are, in essence, manufacturing and marketing companies.
Health Cover-up
 
Old 10-10-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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They get caught, they pay pennies and keep on with business as usual.

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In August, GlaxoSmithKline agreed to pay $2.5 million to settle a suit by Eliot Spitzer, the New York attorney general, alleging that Glaxo had hidden results from trials showing that its antidepressant Paxil might increase suicidal thoughts in children and teenagers. At a House hearing in September, Republican and Democratic lawmakers excoriated executives from several top companies, including Pfizer and Wyeth, for hiding study results. In response, many companies promised to do better.
At the same time, Merck and Pfizer have been criticized for failing to disclose until this year clinical trial results that indicated that cox-2 painkillers like Vioxx might be dangerous to the heart.
Drug makers test their medicines in thousands of trials each year, and federal laws require the disclosure of all trials and trial results to the F.D.A. While too complex for many patients to understand, the trial results are useful to doctors and academic scientists, who use them to compare drugs and look for clues to possible side effects. But companies are not required to disclose trial results to scientists or the public.
Pharmaceutical Industry Cover-up
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