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So, Bosco, considering you've not contributed anything but insults and name calling, how about some facts, or at least something constructive towards this debate...or is that also too laughable for you.
There aren't to sides of this coin. There really aren't two equally right perspective. Not everyone on this world is entitled to be correct.
The below is a statement of hope, belief. It is unquenchable. You will be ever thirsty for facts that confirm your view of the world. If those who are authority say something that doesn't fit (be it CDC, American Pediatrics, or about every country int he world, or Pharmaceutical companies) it should be ignored. It is lies. It can't be trusted
Then you turn and pick a big juicy cherry. Some report on Monkeys from 199x that has been discredited by any journal out there. You hope those reading won't notice that maybe?
When it comes to science, there is grey, white, and black. The delusional here is that just because you can find fellow conspiracy theorist online and you can all sing com-by-ya together doesn't mean that there is any gray here. The evidence is in the black. Immunizations and Autism or as related to each other as Magazine subscriptions and Autism.
I just wonder. . do you not know anyone who works for Big Pharma? They are people. The motto of these companies is saving lives. Its something they look for in employees. Its what they tell each other. Knowing that your company makes things that saves life is very important. They aren't perfect. . . no one is. Yet I do know that these companies would no more poison your kids than poison their own. Their kids take those same vaccinations. . . the only difference. They trust the research and evidence. They don't get distracted by rants and raves by online witch doctors.
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Originally Posted by purehuman
I'll tell you why informed people continue to post here Bosco55David.....so that anyone out there who hasn't the time to research CAN be informed of both sides of the coin...I'm thinking that the only ones who are rude and need to resort to name calling and stupid derogatory remarks are the ignorant ones who prefer to keep their heads in the sand, and would rather push cdc, and big pharms lies, while at the same time try to deny people the WHOLE truth, with ALL the facts.
So, Bosco, considering you've not contributed anything but insults and name calling, how about some facts, or at least something constructive towards this debate...or is that also too laughable for you.
At this point it would be beating a dead horse. The facts have been posted here in this thread as well as countless others. Your side got obliterated, and the discussion has been settled for anyone possessing critical thinking skills.
That said, here's a few facts for you, my apologies if they've been previously posted.
- The "Vaccine Court" (which was set up to deal with nothing but vaccine issues) ruled that there was no credible evidence to substantiate a link between vaccines...specifically those containing thimerosal...and Autism.
- PBS Frontline did an episode on this called "The Vaccine War" and one of the things brought was that Denmark had embarked on a pretty substantial investigation into the supposed thimerosal/Autism link. They found that children who were not given vaccines containing thimerosal had the same statistical rates of Autism as children who did receive the vaccines.
You can find that episode on Netflix Streaming. Probably online too.
Totally wrong Katiana, immunisations not only don't prevent ANY infectious diseases, they cause more death and more suffering than has any other human activity in the entire history of medical intervention....there is not one single paper that you could show me that would prove that in epidemic situations only the unvaccinated caught the disease...Based on hospital admissions pertussis effects both vaccinated and unvaccinated children, though there is a new disease "atypical measles", which is a very vicious form of measles that effects ONLY vaccinated children, and has a high mortality rate.
No one says that vaccines protect everyone. But the fact that they do not protect everyone does not mean that they do not protect anyone. Screwy logic there.
"Atypical measles occurs only in persons who received inactivated ('killed') measles vaccine (KMV) and are subsequently exposed to wild-type measles virus. An estimated 600,000 to 900,000 persons received KMV in the United States from 1963 to 1967. KMV sensitizes the recipient to measles virus antigens without providing protection."
Solution: vaccination with the improved live attenuated virus vaccine.
"Atypical measles is an unusual form that can occur when a person previously vaccinated with a killed-virus measles vaccine (used from 1963 to 1967) is exposed to wild-type measles. Features include a shorter prodrome (1 to 2 days), followed by appearance of a rash that begins on the distal extremities and spreads centripetally, usually sparing the neck, face, and head. The rash may be petechial, maculopapular, urticarial, vesicular, or a combination. accompanied by high fever and edema of the extremities. Complications such as pneumonia and hepatitis may occur. The course of atypical measles is more prolonged than with classic measles, but because these patients are thought to have partial protection against the virus, they do not transmit it and are not considered contagious."
Um, not contagious and no mention of a ghastly fatality rate.
"The truth is that atypical measles is not 'very severe'. "
The killed virus vaccine was removed from the market in 1970.
More good info in the article, too.
Those pesky facts just get in your way, don't they?
You really are reaching when you bring up a condition related to a vaccine that hasn't been used in 42 years --- a condition that is preventable with a newer, better vaccine.
Purehuman. Note we provide evidence, they provide insults. We say educate yourselves, they say "shut up". That's how they debate! it would be funny if lives weren't at risk.
Cochrane Collaboration study:
A remarkable study published in the Cochrane Library found no evidence of benefit for influenza vaccinations. It’s also damns the quality of flu vaccine studies by saying that the vast majority of trials were inadequate. The authors stated that the only ones showing benefit were industry-funded.
The authors found:
Vaccines administered parenterally, that is, outside the digestive tract—which generally means by injection—reduced influenza-like symptoms by only 4%.
They found no evidence that vaccination prevents viral transmission in healthy adults! (There goes the whole herd immunity argument!) This is particularly significant because, as they noted, inactivated vaccines are known to perform best in healthy adults.
They also found no evidence that flu vaccines prevent complications, either. They attempted to ascertain the degree of complications, and though they did report on some, most of the studies simply did not address the issue or did so inadequately.
“…industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies…” “…reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin…” “…there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”
There aren't to sides of this coin. There really aren't two equally right perspective. Not everyone on this world is entitled to be correct.
The below is a statement of hope, belief. It is unquenchable. You will be ever thirsty for facts that confirm your view of the world. If those who are authority say something that doesn't fit (be it CDC, American Pediatrics, or about every country int he world, or Pharmaceutical companies) it should be ignored. It is lies. It can't be trusted
Then you turn and pick a big juicy cherry. Some report on Monkeys from 199x that has been discredited by any journal out there. You hope those reading won't notice that maybe?
When it comes to science, there is grey, white, and black. The delusional here is that just because you can find fellow conspiracy theorist online and you can all sing com-by-ya together doesn't mean that there is any gray here. The evidence is in the black. Immunizations and Autism or as related to each other as Magazine subscriptions and Autism.
I just wonder. . do you not know anyone who works for Big Pharma? They are people. The motto of these companies is saving lives. Its something they look for in employees. Its what they tell each other. Knowing that your company makes things that saves life is very important. They aren't perfect. . . no one is. Yet I do know that these companies would no more poison your kids than poison their own. Their kids take those same vaccinations. . . the only difference. They trust the research and evidence. They don't get distracted by rants and raves by online witch doctors.
This is flawed. Reality appears to be holographic and fractal by nature, not 2D. Everyone is an individual. There are many variables in any situation. Choice aside, what is known is these vaccines can cause harm. No authority disputes this.
What is claimed is that risk is minimum so you are unlikely to have a problem. That the "benefits" outweigh the risk. That the percentage of people who may react is small.
That is why the govt fund is setup. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was invested like all the other govt funds.
Many people also can have ethical objections to how the shots were created never mind religious or philosophical objections.
I don't know what conspiracies some of you are hung up on, but I posted links to all official govt code, related projects and patents. Just like any entity I look at their behavior, actions and words.
Purehuman. Note we provide evidence, they provide insults. We say educate yourselves, they say "shut up". That's how they debate! it would be funny if lives weren't at risk.
Cochrane Collaboration study:
A remarkable study published in the Cochrane Library found no evidence of benefit for influenza vaccinations. It’s also damns the quality of flu vaccine studies by saying that the vast majority of trials were inadequate. The authors stated that the only ones showing benefit were industry-funded.
The authors found:
Vaccines administered parenterally, that is, outside the digestive tract—which generally means by injection—reduced influenza-like symptoms by only 4%.
They found no evidence that vaccination prevents viral transmission in healthy adults! (There goes the whole herd immunity argument!) This is particularly significant because, as they noted, inactivated vaccines are known to perform best in healthy adults.
They also found no evidence that flu vaccines prevent complications, either. They attempted to ascertain the degree of complications, and though they did report on some, most of the studies simply did not address the issue or did so inadequately.
“…industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies…” “…reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin…” “…there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”
The link does not give the title of the review, its authors, or the name of the publication in which it appears. Care to provide a link to the article itself?
what is known is these vaccines can cause harm. No authority disputes this.
This is somewhat correct, but you've chosen your words to create an implication that doesn't really exist.
Yes, a small percentage of the population can have negative side effects to immunizations. A very small percentage of that small percentage may have severe side effects (though Autism is not one of them). You know what else this is true for?
Peanut butter.
You see, when someone has an allergic reaction to peanut butter, it is not the peanut butter "causing" the damage, in the strictest biological sense, it is just a reaction to a certain body. Same logic applies to vaccines.
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it would be funny if lives weren't at risk. 