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Old 05-15-2012, 09:25 PM
 
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This is what you will be voting for if you vote for any democrats this election year. You will be paying for all the solyndra's and the other nonsense the democrats have hoisted upon the taxpayers in the last four years. Do any democrats every talk about ramping down spending? None that I hear. Perhaps there is one. Tax and spend liberals is not even what they should be called anymore. I prefer thieves.

"Heritage Foundation senior fellow and former Treasury Department tax economist J.D. Foster recently warned that on New Year's Day, "some $494 billion in tax hikes will crash down on America's taxpayers and economy" — not just the expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts that gave us a boom and cut unemployment to under 5%, but "a jump in the payroll tax rate," "the return of the death tax," " a bigger, badder" Alternative Minimum Tax, and the tax hikes for ObamaCare.
The ObamaCare 3.8% surcharge goes into effect in 2013, "not just on wage and salary income, but all income, thus breaking the historical link between Medicare and labor earnings," Foster recently noted.
"This link has been sacred to the left for decades, but it apparently wasn't enough to stop them from breaking it to hike taxes," he said."


Our Fiscal Time Bomb Can't Wait For Election Day So Obama Can Have Political Cover - Investors.com
Oh, so the Bush tax cuts will expire (they never should have happened to begin with) and the rates will go up to what they were under Clinton? Yeah, that will really be painful.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:25 PM
 
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So why for the past several decades have republicans averaged increasing government while democrats have decreased it?
Using what standard because its Congress thats responsible for the size of government, not the President.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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It will be like brown i California. Democrqats are tax and spend as always.Republicans are pro business as always and low taxes with less government.
You do realize there is a difference between saying you're in favor of those things and actually backing it up with action?
The GOP has proven itself as destructive as the dems.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:31 PM
 
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If Romney wins the election, there will a series of political trap doors awaiting him.

Expect it.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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It will be like brown i California. Democrqats are tax and spend as always.Republicans are pro business as always and low taxes with less government.
Republicans may be pro-business and low taxes, but they have not been for less government in quite some time. I am still waiting for the GOP to keep their 1980 vow to dismantle the Departments of Energy and Education. Let us not forget that the creation of the TSA was a bipartisan effort. Democrats controlled the Senate and Republicans controlled the House.

From 1995 through 1998 it looked like the Republicans were on the right track. They even proposed dismantling the Department of Commerce. They also had control of Congress, which meant they had control over spending. Despite Clinton's numerous vetoes, the GOP managed to override enough of them to obtain budget surpluses from 1998 through 2000.

However, with the departure of Speaker Gingrich and Rep. Kasich (now Governor of Ohio, but Chairman of the House Budget Committee during the late 1990s) the Republicans lost all fiscal discipline and began spending like they were 1960s Democrats.

There has been no indication that the Republicans have become any more fiscally responsible than the Democrats. On November 10, 2010 newly elected Speaker Bonior promised "no comprise" when it came to extending the Suspension of the 1993 Tax Increase. On December 11, 2010 Speaker Bonior gave Democrats $200 billion more to extend unemployment benifits in order to get their vote on the Suspension of the 1993 Tax Increase. On August 4, 2011 Speaker Bonoir promised Democrats that he would allow the Suspension of the 1993 Tax Increase to expire on January 1, 2013 in order to gain their support for increasing the debt ceiling.

Those sound like "compromises" to me. So much for his credibility.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The GOP has proven itself as destructive as the dems.
I would not go quite that far. While it is certainly true the Republicans have not been fiscally responsible since 2000, the size of their deficits from 2001 through 2006 were one third the size of the deficits when Democrats controlled Congress from 2007 through 2010. Just by that comparison alone the Democrats were three times more destructive than the Republicans who were also destructive.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:17 PM
 
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So why for the past several decades have republicans averaged increasing government while democrats have decreased it?
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The 2009 edition of the Code of Federal Regulations was the largest ever, encompassing 163,333 pages in 226 individual books
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:21 PM
 
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Oh, so the Bush tax cuts will expire (they never should have happened to begin with) and the rates will go up to what they were under Clinton? Yeah, that will really be painful.
No kidding. Not to mention Clinton's wildly success tax plan put the nation well on it's way to being debt free.

The epically failed Bush tax cuts for the rich needs to end so we can get the nation back in fiscal order.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:32 PM
 
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No kidding. Not to mention Clinton's wildly success tax plan put the nation well on it's way to being debt free.

The epically failed Bush tax cuts for the rich needs to end so we can get the nation back in fiscal order.
And what do you think the U.S. economy is going to do when $100 billion a year is pulled straight out of the economy and spent on extravagant donuts for career politicians?
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:35 PM
 
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And what do you think the U.S. economy is going to do when $100 billion a year is pulled straight out of the economy and spent on extravagant donuts for career politicians?
Unless Bill O'Reilly is somehow in charge, we won't see any crazy spending on donuts

Once the horrible Bush tax cuts for the rich are ended like they should have been, that doesn't mean more spending, that means to go back to what Clinton started by retuning us to fiscal sanity, paying down the debt, and leading the nation into being debt-free.
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