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Old 05-17-2012, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The original Tea Party was highly against preemptive wars.

Just like the Republican party, the Tea Party has had Progressives jump on and call themselves Tea Party and make their own Tea Party, when they hold none of the values of the original 2008 Tea Party.

We saw it happen during the run up to the 2010 mid terms.
Well, if the original Tea Party was highly against preemptive wars, they sure kept their mouths shut all through the Bush Presidency.
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Old 05-17-2012, 07:13 AM
 
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Both Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have a long history of supporting Tea-party-like ideas. The tea party is of course really amorphous, but at least to me it's really libertarian/limited gov't at its heart. Dick Armey has always leaned that way. The Koch bros have heavily supported the Reason Foundation and Cato, if I'm not mistaken, so they would fit into that category too.

And speaking of amorphous, I asked many a person who used the word 'neo-con' for a definition and have never gotten one. One time a friend of mine was going on about neo-con this, neo-con that. I asked him what his definition was and he replied, "it's the people you see on Fox news." Wow there's some clarity. If we use words with no definitions, we can't possibly know what we're talking about. We might as well just put some monkeys on our keyboard and let them have at it.
The Koch father was a founder of the Cato Institute with one other partner. The Bros. are currently trying to run off their daddy's partner. They own the Cato Institute and Dick Armey.
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Old 05-17-2012, 07:17 AM
 
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In fairness to the authentic Tea Party representatives, the entrenched powers of the GOP pretty much cut them out of the loop of decision making and power in the House. So far as I know, none of them were given any committee chairmanships or even a seat on influential and powerful committees.
You are usually not "given" committee chair positions they are a product of seniority and your ability to influence other members in your committee when your party holds a majority in the house.
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Old 05-17-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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When Tom Delay was speaker, he tried getting rid of seniority as the way to chairmanships. He preferred the rewarding friends and punishing enemies method of committee appointments and chairmanships as a way to control. That is one reason Boehner is having trouble keeping the troops in line.

The new method is pay to play. Congressmen have to donate huge sums to the party to be committee chair. Dems do it, too.
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Old 05-17-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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Interesting thread. Depressing thread.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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There are plenty of solid definitions of neo-cons out there
Plenty of definitions? So when the term is used, how do are we supposed to know which definition is intended? Consult a psychic? Again when people use terms that are not defined, they can't possibly know what they're talking about. Or if they do, they and only they can know. The reader/listener can only guess.
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