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Old 05-20-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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I think those who support same-sex marriage don't have much to offer in terms of a good argument, so they resort to adhominem personal attacks.

Some, who are gullible will believe them & jump on the bandwagon.
But most, who are intelligent & have common sense, will see it for what it is.
I think we have a pretty compelling argument: All people, including gay people, are Constitutionally guaranteed equal treatment under the civil, secular laws of the US and its several states. Same sex marriage bans unconstitutionally deny that.

 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:40 PM
 
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Homosexuality is becoming not only accepted, but even encouraged at times.
It's always been an abomination since Biblical times. In what hell would someone encourage another to that lifestyle?
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:41 PM
 
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I will defend the right of 2 consenting ADULTS to marry each other if they so wish.

The people who define marriage are the ones in it.

Why do you care if other people get married? It is none of your business.

And can you please enlighten all of us about the day you decided to be straight?

Because I am straight but cannot recall the day I woke up and decided I was going to like men.

I agree. marriage is none of the goverments business. the goverment should get out of it completely.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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Common law marriages, and even civil unions (in the rare states that have them), do not have the same rights as marriage under the law.
According to what I've read about legal rights of common law marriage & cohabitation agreement, especially when contracts are in place, same-sex couples already have the same rights within the marriage.

Cohabitation agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Common-law marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only reason to legally redefine marriage is to force us all to honor sexual deviations as if they are "normal" & healthy when they prove not to be.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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I think we have a pretty compelling argument: All people, including gay people, are Constitutionally guaranteed equal treatment under the civil, secular laws of the US and its several states. Same sex marriage bans unconstitutionally deny that.
Also, one couple is able to produce (with the exception of illness) an offspring and the other couple can not without a lot of help from Dr. Frankenstein.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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Also, one couple is able to produce (with the exception of illness) an offspring and the other couple can not without a lot of help from Dr. Frankenstein.
Completely irrelevant.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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Obviously, you haven't really given this much thought.

Using your standard brother and sisters could marry along with parents and children, aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews.


And why do they have to love each other?


Will couples be tested to verify their love for one another?

You placed a limit of two persons who may marry but made no effort to explain why two was the correct number, assuming a limit were needed.

Two people are needed for sexual reproduction.

The two-person limit has nothing to do with homosexuals who cannot sexually reproduce.

If you are going to model homosexual unions after heterosexual ones, please don't insult our intelligence by imposing a limit of two persons as though reasoning applied (e.g., two people are needed for sexual reproduction).
Important considerations!
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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According to what I've read about legal rights of common law marriage & cohabitation agreement, especially when contracts are in place, same-sex couples already have the same rights within the marriage.
This is still 100% false.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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Homosexuality is becoming not only accepted, but even encouraged at times. I understand that many with same-sex preferences have been through hell. Many have been sexually abused. Many have been struggled with their feelings & many have been treated badly for their aparent or actual sexual preferences.
I believe it's important to love everyone, no matter what their preferences. Loving someone means to want the best for them, even if it means telling them truth they don't want to hear.

Society's well being depends on the basic unit of society: family, which is based on marriage between a man and a woman.
Legal marriage is primarily for the benefit of society, especially the future of society: CHILDREN.
Children are created by a man and a woman.
Studies and common sense, show that children also thrive best by being raised by the 2 opposite sexes that created them (nature is wise).
Gay marriage denies the right for a child to have both a mother and father, & basically states, "Mothers aren't really important - 2 dads are ok, or Fathers aren't really important - 2 moms are ok." When this false!

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
Children Need Both A Mother And A Father

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFArch ... I0804G.pdf

"Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links with Children's Peer Competence"
Pettit, Gregory S.; Brown, Elizabeth Glyn; Mize, Jacquelyn; Lindsey, Eric
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=EJ563106

"Why Children Need a Mother and a Father" Bill Muehlenberg
Why Children Need a Mother and a Father » Bill Muehlenberg’s CultureWatch


Another consideration is the health consequences of homosexual sex...Because statistically, homosexuals (both men and women) change partners more often and are less monogomous than heterosexuals, STDs and AIDS statistically are known to spread quickly among homosexuals, especially gay men...
CDC - Sexually Transmitted Diseases - Gay and Bisexual Men's Health
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/...nal508comp.pdf
We also know that anal sex is risky (for anal fissures, bacterial infection, colon rupture & anal cancer), even in 2 healthy males.


Why would you want to legally place children with couples who engage in harmful behavior, when children learn most by imitation?
Homosexuality is not only harmful medically, but usually it is the product of psychological problems (except for rare instances ie hermaphrodites). We are born with brains that are only 25% developed, so that our brains can adapt to environmental influences & better survive.

"1. No research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals & homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior.
2. In 2 large studies conducted... Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences.
3. Older homosexuals often approach the young
4. Early homosexual experiences influence adult patters of behavior
5. Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors - esp. religious convictions
6. Many change their sexual preferences
7. There are many ex-homosexuals"
Environmental factors may influence sexual orientation
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/env...al-orientation

The APA changed the definition of homosexuality not because of scientific studies, but because of political harrassment from gay lobbyists.
The Born "Gay" Hoax |


Speaking of harassment, others' rights have been denied in order to cator to "gay rights"...
Children have the right to not be taught homosexuality in school. Yet, in places where gay marriage has been enacted, these rights have been infringed upon. Here are a few examples where those with homosexual preferences have pushed their assumed rights, which infringed on the rights of others...
*Freshmen were told not to tell their parents about a pro-gay seminar & were required to sign a confidentiality agreement (Derrfield, Illinois Mar. 2007).
*In March, 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual.
*In October, 2008, First graders (6 year-old students) were taken on a field trip to watch their lesbian teacher's wedding.
*In Oct 2008, a Hayward CA public elementary school celebrated "Coming Out Day."

Normalizing & even encouraging children to explore homosexuality obviously causes more to experiment with homosexuality.
"The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexuality Education in Schools... This report is part of an integrated strategy to inform and educate parents, students and school officials across the nation of its contents and of their respective rights and duties. It has documented the concern that the health of students in many schools across the country may have been compromised and their First Amendment rights may have been denied."
http://www.afamichigan.org/images/Legal ... 200504.pdf

Also, others' rights have been infringed upon in favor of supporting gay rights.
*In April 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony.
*In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the U of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
*An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 even violently attacked & injured a Proposition supporter in Oct. 2008.
*On November 19, 2008, eHarmony, a Christian-based matching service was forced by New Jersey's Division on Civil Rights to provide website matching services for homosexuals.

Same sex couples already have "rights" under common law marriage and cohabitation agreements. Legally redefining marriage is simply trying to legally force society to accept a minority's sexual deviations.
Please strive for what's best for society's emotional & physical health - especially society's future: children, by supporting their right to be raised by a mother AND father.
Please defend marriage as defined to be between a man and a woman!
Methinks you doth protest too much.

Come on out of that closet and be the person you were born to be...
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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Yes, marriage should only be between two sexes, not the same. It's pretty irritating that more and more people are supporting and endorsing sin.
That's interesting...I'm an Atheist and got married, there was no mention of God, yet I was just as married as any of the rest of you...we Atheists have been marrying for years, and years, and years....religion has nothing to do with it.
You have to get a license to marry from a government office...God has nothing to do with anything.

Gay people will eventually have the right to marry, and the world will not fall apart.
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