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Old 05-23-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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Just a bit of the back story. Prior to WW2 FDR looked with disdain upon large corporations. Just so happened we had no army or navy to speak of. the Germans could have strolled across our country.

FDR swallowed his pride and approached the 'corporations' who contributed mightily to support our and the world's victory over tyranny.

GM was just one of the car companies to immediately respond. You can see carbines and garands stamped with the GM logo. If it was not for big corporations you'd be speaking German as your primary language.

The industrial war complex was critical to the world's salvation. So the apprpriate respons would be to resolve issues rather than obliterate corporations. They are our lifeboat in hard times that try mens' souls and made it possible for Eurpean countries to have token defense budgets.
I guess you never talked to veterans who noticed the same GM symbol on German equipment they either destroyed or captured!

Many corporations from pahrmaceuticals, chemical, and heavy manufacturing were headquartered in the U.S. and had produced goods for the axis.

Referring to them as lifeboats is a stretch as they simply do business with he who is willing to pay. Did GM sacrifice profits to build anything for your war machine? NOPE! They were alloted materials that were deemed necessary for war production so they were limited in what they could use those materials for.

One could easily say they didn't have a lot of choice as how many folks were going to buy new cars on the pay sent home by hubby while he was off fighting the Nazis.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:07 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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We could probably afford it if we stop all the military adventurism as well.
Wrong. The "military adventurism" is paid for entirely by debt. Nothing would be saved if the wars were stopped, except for interest on the debt, which comes from the federal budget.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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If it was not for big corporations you'd be speaking German as your primary language.
And be able to earn the Verdienstkreutz Deutscher Adler.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Then why do right winger ***** about him cutting defense spending?
Because they'd complain about the direction his bed faces if they could.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: NJ
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"I guess you never talked to veterans who noticed the same GM symbol on German equipment they either destroyed or captured! "

True, up to a point, we owned and encouraged the global market until the call to arms when trade with the enemy halted.

Did we not base the springfield rifle on the mauser action developed by Germany.

Free trade stopped and companies mobilized as never before, that is the diff.

How do you justify US citizens buying cars made by German and Japanese companies who provided materiel for their war machines? Going to attack those corporations and stop buying their cars?
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Florida -
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While we have a significant Defense budget, it is getting smaller and is often the target of cuts. It's the "entitlement" mentality (and spending) itself that has created the deficit. The European countries are going bankrupt trying to emulate the U.S. ... except for the pure Socialist countries ---- The U.S. is going bankrupt trying to emulate THEM!
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: USA
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If we didn't have a military to support and pay for, we too could afford all the social entitlements, European nations have.


But it can get out of hand, easily.

No military budget, and they are all broke.

Let them pay for their own defense and see where their entitlements go.
A lot of "military" money is used to fund private corporations(Blackwater, Hailburton) who have no-bid contracts and waste money overseas. Let's not get overboard and blame our military members just to make a point. I have seen some European countries, mainly the UK, and some of their social programs are too liberal and ridiculous.
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Old 05-23-2012, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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If we didn't have a military to support and pay for, we too could afford all the social entitlements, European nations have.


But it can get out of hand, easily.

No military budget, and they are all broke.

Let them pay for their own defense and see where their entitlements go.

That would be great but you know the Europeans would just hate that! Nobody to defend them anymore, No US Military dollars spent there....
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Old 05-23-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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So does Obama's campaign coffers. What's your point?

Besides, as was noted in the OP (and which you conveniently ignored) is that European countries are >still< broke even without your boogie-man of the military industrial complex.
Most European nations aren't broke which you conveniently ignored.
If we defend Europe why would they say no? They will say yes thank you.
No boogie man just the truth.
And we always will defend Europe because our corporations thrive on military welfare. No one is going to change that.
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Old 05-23-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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If we didn't have a military to support and pay for, we too could afford all the social entitlements, European nations have.

But it can get out of hand, easily.

No military budget, and they are all broke.

Let them pay for their own defense and see where their entitlements go.
Socialism is failing in Europe and the whole thing is collapsing, even though they depend on the USA for military things.

No, we need to fire 90% of government employees. We need to cut the social programs back for only the elderly and disabled and the rest need to take ANY job and go pay taxes.
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