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Old 06-02-2012, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Sen. Charles Grassley (D-IA) said that the health care reform plans Democrats are proposing would be a "backdoor" to a Canadian-style, single-payer plan and the nationalization of health care.

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Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) told Shell Oil president John Hofmeister, during a May 23, 2008 House hearing that she wanted the government to take over the entire oil industry.

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Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) actually proposed the nationalization of oil refineries.

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The very last thing Democrats want is an American Free Enterprise System.
Charles Grassley is a Republican Senator, not a Democrat. Any source that can't get that basic fact right is questionable.

I am for a national oil company too. A great deal of drilling is performed on public waters and lands of which the oil companies try their hardest to cheat the government (taxpayers) out of royalties. Who needs them? We can hire the same workers and sell oil on the open market ourselves, with the profits going to the taxpayers instead of the oil company who is going to end up paying no taxes.

Kerr-McGee Is Found Liable in Lawsuit Over Oil Royalties

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Old 06-02-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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The distinction between Democrats and autocrats is disappearing quickly.
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:57 PM
 
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Oh, you mean like corporate CEO's, who rarely have any more than a tiny stake in the company that they run? Most of the money that buys their gold plated bathrooms and corporate jets -- not to mention their nine digit golden parachutes, was provided from other people's money, the stockholders.
That's more like "communist" style Soviet rule which is just another term for cronyism.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:01 PM
 
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I am an independent, but my father always attributes Democratic ideology to socialism. How true is this? What are the differences, if any, between Democratic and Socialist ideologies?

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The simplest answer is, "DEGREES."

It has to do with the degree of taxation, wealth redistribution, and government control is sought.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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The distinction between Democrats and autocrats is disappearing quickly.
"An autocracy is a system of government in which a supreme political power is concentrated in the hands of one person, whose decisions are subject to neither external legal restraints nor regularized mechanisms of popular control"

Autocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't sound like Democrats or our country at all.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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People don't get social security for free . They pay for it through their paychecks.
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The fact that workers contribute to the Social Security program's funding through a dedicated payroll tax establishes a unique connection between those tax payments and future benefits. More so than general federal income taxes can be said to establish "rights" to certain government services. This is often expressed in the idea that Social Security benefits are "an earned right." This is true enough in a moral and political sense. But like all federal entitlement programs, Congress can change the rules regarding eligibility--and it has done so many times over the years. The rules can be made more generous, or they can be made more restrictive. Benefits which are granted at one time can be withdrawn, as for example with student benefits, which were substantially scaled-back in the 1983 Amendments.

There has been a temptation throughout the program's history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes entitle them to a benefit in a legal, contractual sense. That is to say, if a person makes FICA contributions over a number of years, Congress cannot, according to this reasoning, change the rules in such a way that deprives a contributor of a promised future benefit. Under this reasoning, benefits under Social Security could probably only be increased, never decreased, if the Act could be amended at all. Congress clearly had no such limitation in mind when crafting the law. Section 1104 of the 1935 Act, entitled "RESERVATION OF POWER," specifically said: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress." Even so, some have thought that this reservation was in some way unconstitutional. This is the issue finally settled by Flemming v. Nestor.

In this 1960 Supreme Court decision Nestor's denial of benefits was upheld even though he had contributed to the program for 19 years and was already receiving benefits. Under a 1954 law, Social Security benefits were denied to persons deported for, among other things, having been a member of the Communist party. Accordingly, Mr. Nestor's benefits were terminated. He appealed the termination arguing, among other claims, that promised Social Security benefits were a contract and that Congress could not renege on that contract. In its ruling, the Court rejected this argument and established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not contractual right.
Social Security Online History Pages
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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"An autocracy is a system of government in which a supreme political power is concentrated in the hands of one person, whose decisions are subject to neither external legal restraints nor regularized mechanisms of popular control"

Autocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't sound like Democrats or our country at all.
Thanks for the definition, but the autocratic impulse is alive and well in the Democrat party.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:48 PM
 
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Thanks for the definition, but the autocratic impulse is alive and well in the Democrat party.
I don't see it. Please point out some examples for me.

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Old 06-02-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Thanks for the definition, but the autocratic impulse is alive and well in the Democrat party.
Which Party wraps themselves in the flag, professes to be the only true Patriots, says God is on thier side and says they want less government while imposing laws that deny rights to parts of the population?

Correct the .................Nazi Party
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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Which Party wraps themselves in the flag, professes to be the only true Patriots, says God is on thier side and says they want less government
Yes, and it's quite ironic that they say that. The government has never shrunk under a Republican administration, yet we're supposed to believe that they stand for less government.

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