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Old 05-25-2012, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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The Reps have sickeningly opposed any access to health care if you can't afford it on the grounds that that would be socialized medicine. So I have no idea why you propose any of vote for Romney if we want to help people like this poor guy.

Yes. At least Obama's plan would allow for pre-existing conditions, which is all this guy needs. Of course, it would be funded by the part of the plan that the Supreme Court may put the kabash on.

I don't like Obama because he is not strong enough and caves to outside interests, but Romney is so out of touch with the common man as to seem heartless.

We are really choosing between two Republicans here.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:10 AM
 
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I would just LOVE to see what conservatives propose as a solution to this. C'mon, step up to the plate!
He applied for less than two jobs per day, he didn't look outside of his current town, and he didn't look into switching fields. The solution to this is for him to be smarter about hunting for a job...
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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He applied for less than two jobs per day, he didn't look outside of his current town, and he didn't look into switching fields. The solution to this is for him to be smarter about hunting for a job...
Seriously? At what point can one have empathy for someone who is doing all they can in the reality that exists? Did you miss the part about him cold-calling people, taking people out to lunch trying to set up meetings and find work? Or getting new certifications ? I realize it is comforting to say "oh gee, all those unemployed people must not be trying hard enough" but that is not the case for a lot of folks in the current economy. This guy didn't just apply for existing jobs, he went out of his way to try to find ones that didn't yet exist. It really angers me when the stock response is "THEY are doing something wrong" when the problem is bigger than any individual person.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:09 AM
 
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Seriously? At what point can one have empathy for someone who is doing all they can in the reality that exists? Did you miss the part about him cold-calling people, taking people out to lunch trying to set up meetings and find work? Or getting new certifications ? I realize it is comforting to say "oh gee, all those unemployed people must not be trying hard enough" but that is not the case for a lot of folks in the current economy. This guy didn't just apply for existing jobs, he went out of his way to try to find ones that didn't yet exist. It really angers me when the stock response is "THEY are doing something wrong" when the problem is bigger than any individual person.
I personally never make excuses or blame something other than myself when something bad happens in my life. But that is just me.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I personally never make excuses or blame something other than myself when something bad happens in my life. But that is just me.
There is a difference between making an excuse/blaming something outside of yourself and acknowledging that sometimes there are things that are outside of your personal sphere of influence. By all means, one should do everything in one's power, but IMO it is short-sighted to think that this will yield positive results every single time. That is, one can do all of the "right" things and still end up in this man's position. Those are the people I really feel for.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:28 AM
 
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I would just LOVE to see what conservatives propose as a solution to this. C'mon, step up to the plate!
Loss is part of life.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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I would just LOVE to see what conservatives propose as a solution to this. C'mon, step up to the plate!
Why don't YOU step up to the plate and tell us what you would do. Better yet, why don't you hire him?

If you weren't so busy hating you might have seen what the conservative solutions are.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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He applied for less than two jobs per day, he didn't look outside of his current town, and he didn't look into switching fields. The solution to this is for him to be smarter about hunting for a job...
Don't you understand?

You're not expected to WORK at getting a job.....your supposed to sit back for two years collecting unemployment THEN start looking for a job.

Why don't these wealthy lefties just simply open businesses in depressed town in order to create jobs?

Isn't that the lefty mindset? Employ people even if you do not produce a product that people want?

You can provide all of the tax incentives in the world for businesses to hire people, but if there is no need for workers, it doesn't matter now, does it?

On an emotional level, I would help this guy out if I could.

In reality, each is responsible for themselves.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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SOLUTION : Reduce government regulations and implement the real health care reforms the Republicans proposed and were ignored by the Obama administration:



Health Costs, Gov't Regulations Curb Small Business Hiring

Factbox: Republican healthcare reform proposals | Reuters
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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There is a difference between making an excuse/blaming something outside of yourself and acknowledging that sometimes there are things that are outside of your personal sphere of influence. By all means, one should do everything in one's power, but IMO it is short-sighted to think that this will yield positive results every single time. That is, one can do all of the "right" things and still end up in this man's position. Those are the people I really feel for.
I understand what you are saying, but I respectfully disagree.


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Don't you understand?

You're not expected to WORK at getting a job.....your supposed to sit back for two years collecting unemployment THEN start looking for a job.

Why don't these wealthy lefties just simply open businesses in depressed town in order to create jobs?

Isn't that the lefty mindset? Employ people even if you do not produce a product that people want?

You can provide all of the tax incentives in the world for businesses to hire people, but if there is no need for workers, it doesn't matter now, does it?

On an emotional level, I would help this guy out if I could.

In reality, each is responsible for themselves.
Thanks for clearing it up!

And I agree with this. Emotionally, I feel for the guy, and I personally help people like that out simply because they are another human being in need. That being said, nothing should be done from a government perspective. At the end of the day, he is responsible for himself.
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