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I just know I'm going to end up making the whole lot of you hate me here...
First, I want to say for the record I am 100% for gay rights (marriage, adoption, the whole nine yards) but have always opposed incest. But the recent thread about that mother who made a sex tape with her son and the way it was quickly transformed into a thread for comparing it to homosexuality has got me thinking:
What makes homosexuality okay and not incest if both cases involve only adults?
(Note: Yes, I know the case I just mentioned didn't involve only adults.)
Incest leads to killing your father and poking your eyeballs out.
It sounds good on paper, but never turns out well.
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Originally Posted by Vic 2.0
I just know I'm going to end up making the whole lot of you hate me here...
First, I want to say for the record I am 100% for gay rights (marriage, adoption, the whole nine yards) but have always opposed incest. But the recent thread about that mother who made a sex tape with her son and the way it was quickly transformed into a thread for comparing it to homosexuality has got me thinking:
What makes homosexuality okay and not incest if both cases involve only adults?
Ewww, umm, okay.... I think it's because no normal adult without a past history of being sexually abused would consent to sexual relations with an immediate family member. JMO
I don't know. What makes heterosexuality OK but not incest if both cases involve only adults?
I don't see that as a different question, because I think of heterosexuality and homosexuality as equally justified in and of themselves.
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Originally Posted by whatyousay
Ewww, umm, okay.... I think it's because no normal adult without a past history of being sexually abused would consent to sexual relations with an immediate family member. JMO
See, it's the "JMO" that is the problem here. We all have our opinions on it. "Ewww" is mine too. But since we do not know that every case involving two incestuous adults also includes a history of being sexually abused, we cannot legitimately call incest wrong based on that argument.
If you took the possibility of pregnancy out of the mix, I'd have a harder time coming up with an argument other than . . . GROSS!
Interestingly, this situation was just raised at the European Court of Human Rights because a brother/sister couple challenged Germany's anti-incest law.
"The pair did not grow up together, but met in their 20s after the brother, who had been adopted, tracked down his biological family, and they now have four children, two of whom are described as having "disabilities."
I just don't see how someone can compare it. People always seem to want to compare homosexuality with something like incest or beastiality, but just like homosexuality has it's own term, there's a reason the others have their own terms as well.
Where as homosexuality between two partners can be completely consentual, I don't believe it's typical for two family members who are knowingly family members to consentually have sex with one another. There's also the harm to others which is caused, as was said in the previous post, where incest that results in pregnancy has a MUCH higher chance of producing severe and even life threatening disabilities to the children. Then you have to also remember that the above post was a far fetch from the norm...much farther than any homosexual possibility...and then on top of that there's the 'technicality' presented above because they were adopted and thus would have grew up in different families and then met just like any other 'couple'...only difference being the much closer biological connections than we usually have. This just seems like it's a completely different topic that you can't compare the two with.
Oh, and IK beastality wasn't supposed to be a part of this, but since people like to bring it up when talking about homosexuality, I'll say this.
One person + one person = Two people (homosexual or heterosexual)
One person + one animal = Unrequeted and unconsensual partnership
My main problem is the misuse of parental power in cases of parent child incest. Even if the child in question is of legal age there is still the question of grooming them to accept a relationship beyond parent/child. I can see coercion being a huge problem.
Much like many teacher/student, or priest/altar boy relationships that generally use a position of power to coerce.
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