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View Poll Results: Are Cities Better off With Casinos or Without
With 25 43.10%
Without 24 41.38%
Not sure 9 15.52%
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Gambling is a poor excuse for states exercising good fiscal responsiblity, if your state needs to resort to gambling to balance the budget by promoting casinos, you have bigger problems. The convenience of local casinos attracts mostly low income people that can least afford to lose.

The deck is stacked against the gamers, how do you think they survive, all they do is take peoples money for nothing in return. They should be promoting legitmate industries rather than these gimmicks that deteriorate society.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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What if it's Indians in control over them?
LIKE the Indian mafia in Canada? These natives learn from the best- white crooks- They figure if the white guys do it- they can do it-good for them.

Still like Indian cigarettes...............They are blood sucking parasites--------as of casinos---if you want them in your hood- you will have to over look the guy in the parking lot that blows his brains out after blowing the rent money.
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Governments can be crazy- Here in Toronto some politicians want to legalize prostitution and open up a red light district- all in the name of "safety" and in hope of profits through taxation- They say that the "industry" can then be policed properly...Well...police cost money- money that you and I have to dish out...and by doing so in order to protect prostitutes the public becomes both John and Pimp...

Making money out of vice is just not good or right..I would rather see less money flowing than - more money and a more decayed human environment.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:06 AM
 
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But then what about state lotteries?
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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Governments can be crazy- Here in Toronto some politicians want to legalize prostitution and open up a red light district- all in the name of "safety" and in hope of profits through taxation- They say that the "industry" can then be policed properly...Well...police cost money- money that you and I have to dish out...and by doing so in order to protect prostitutes the public becomes both John and Pimp...

Making money out of vice is just not good or right..I would rather see less money flowing than - more money and a more decayed human environment.

The government does that now with illegal drugs and prostitution. Your tax dollars go towards policing puritan morals. It's archaic and anti-freedom.

Right now, prostitutes don't have legal protection, just as drug users don't, so when they are wronged and want justice, instead of doing so legally, they resort to criminal methods. That criminal justice comes with the price of street gangs, thugs, and pimps. Want to get ride of those? Legalize your sex trade, legalize your drugs. A free people can engage in whatever cices they wish, and it's in the better interest of the state to have legal recourse for injustice, rather that criminal ones.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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The government does that now with illegal drugs and prostitution. Your tax dollars go towards policing puritan morals. It's archaic and anti-freedom.

Right now, prostitutes don't have legal protection, just as drug users don't, so when they are wronged and want justice, instead of doing so legally, they resort to criminal methods. That criminal justice comes with the price of street gangs, thugs, and pimps. Want to get ride of those? Legalize your sex trade, legalize your drugs. A free people can engage in whatever cices they wish, and it's in the better interest of the state to have legal recourse for injustice, rather that criminal ones.
I actually agree with you, but if we do that then we actually have to change our culture to teach people how to be responsible, and I don't know if we're ready for that in this country. It would have to be a very slow and gradual process, and would have to be something that the majority agreed upon. It would entail changing the entire culture of America, which would be a very slow painful process.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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Gambling is a poor excuse for states exercising good fiscal responsiblity, if your state needs to resort to gambling to balance the budget by promoting casinos, you have bigger problems. The convenience of local casinos attracts mostly low income people that can least afford to lose.

The deck is stacked against the gamers, how do you think they survive, all they do is take peoples money for nothing in return. They should be promoting legitmate industries rather than these gimmicks that deteriorate society.
So you think it should be up to who to decide where folks spend their entertainment dollars?? You? The government? What does dinner out and a movie provide in return? A full belly and a flick. Well hell you can do that at home. May as well shut down restraunts and theatres. What does going to a ballgame provide? Nothing. That is what you are saying. The odds are stacked for the house unless you play the ponies. But so what. You know that going in. Everybody who gambles does. If I want to dump a hundred bucks on the craps table instead of going to a ballgame who are you to tell me not to or anybody else?
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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The government does that now with illegal drugs and prostitution. Your tax dollars go towards policing puritan morals. It's archaic and anti-freedom.

Right now, prostitutes don't have legal protection, just as drug users don't, so when they are wronged and want justice, instead of doing so legally, they resort to criminal methods. That criminal justice comes with the price of street gangs, thugs, and pimps. Want to get ride of those? Legalize your sex trade, legalize your drugs. A free people can engage in whatever cices they wish, and it's in the better interest of the state to have legal recourse for injustice, rather that criminal ones.
Poisoning people, destroying their minds and bodies with highly addictive toxins is a different matter. You should not have the right to addict people to meth just because you love money too much.

No one forces anyone to walk into a casino and put a single quarter into a slot. One time I went to a casino and I put in a quarter and I got 5 back so I figured it was my lucky day. Well I played all those 5 quarters that I had won, and I played 7 more quarters which I also lost. So I quit.

I hung around the casino for a while because there was some good band playing but no one in the casino tried to force me to gamble away any more of my money than that total of $2 I had foolishly lost.

Other times I've been to the casinos strictly for the buffets and listened to a group playing, had some free coffee or $1 beer. They never once bothered me, told me I must gamble.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:18 PM
 
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Poisoning people, destroying their minds and bodies with highly addictive toxins is a different matter. You should not have the right to addict people to meth just because you love money too much.
Aside from the fallacy you begin with, why should you care what other people do to themselves? You can't legislate your personal morality onto others. Unless that person is a harm to others in his community, you nor the state has zero capacitance to act. It's all about his own responsibility, and the responsability of his friends and family. They're the ones that have to deal with anyone that's a user.

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No one forces anyone to walk into a casino and put a single quarter into a slot. One time I went to a casino and I put in a quarter and I got 5 back so I figured it was my lucky day. Well I played all those 5 quarters that I had won, and I played 7 more quarters which I also lost. So I quit.

I hung around the casino for a while because there was some good band playing but no one in the casino tried to force me to gamble away any more of my money than that total of $2 I had foolishly lost.

Other times I've been to the casinos strictly for the buffets and listened to a group playing, had some free coffee or $1 beer. They never once bothered me, told me I must gamble.

And yes gambling is as addictive as any other system with rewards, especially random rewards. Psychological addiction to gambling, as well as anything like sex, movies, or exercise, are just as dangerous as physical addictions, like alcohol and heroin. The difference is you can chemically treat physical dependencies.

Just because you don't find it personally addictive doesn't mean it isn't as much a "problem" as any kind of illicit substance.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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I actually agree with you, but if we do that then we actually have to change our culture to teach people how to be responsible, and I don't know if we're ready for that in this country. It would have to be a very slow and gradual process, and would have to be something that the majority agreed upon. It would entail changing the entire culture of America, which would be a very slow painful process.
Sorry, didn't see the reposte. People are already responsible. Millions do drugs without being criminals per se, but because we criminalize drug possession and use, a lot of people become criminals because of use. How many people consume alcohol responsibly? Millions. A lot of our "drug problems" in this country are a result of making drugs a criminal matter, instead of a medical one. Along with prostitution, drugs are pretty much the #1 money maker for street gangs.

Legalize them, give these people legal recourse and protection, and a lot of gangs would evaporate in a matter of a couple of years. More entrenched gangs would require significant police work, undoubtedly, to break up, just as we needed to do after the prohibition--we'd still have a job for the DEA, and they can become a better enforcer of illegal drug trade, like the ATFB is of the illegal arms trade.

Once people have legal means to protect themselves and sell their product, you don't need criminals to do that job. Combined with regulation (since drugs are consumable, and require quality standards), age\environment restrictions, marginal taxes (like cigarettes, alcohol, etc), you have a burgeoning source of revenue for both the state, and for private enterprise.

Reasonable regulation, of course, is important. If you're growing or manufacturing drugs or alcohol for personal use, no taxes or regulations. If you have the intent to sell or distribute, taxes and regulate. Those are there to protect consumers health and the manufacturer from being sued.

What could possibly be disagreeable about this? Freedom to choose without being a criminal, revenue for the state and private enterprise, and lower crime.
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