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Old 06-02-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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I fully understand lefties.

I have leftie friends and relatives.

I listen to a lot of leftie talk radio.

I know lefties.

Full of emotion and good intentions.
There I agree and I consider them like infants. Conservatives unfortunately are like adolescents who think their better fundamentals of human nature result in better complex systems. Their society reminds me of Lord of the Flies. Their economic formulas work for everything including dead people make good fertilizer.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Once again, lefties conveniently fail to realize that government caused the problem.

Now you expect the government to fix it?

Well of course I do since they granted a monopoly on credit to a cartel on Wall Street. And you conveniently leave out the private intrest. Am I supposed to think lowering taxes and ending green stamps is going to matter when investment banks can print up as much money as they please?



And once gain you fail to realize its big business that put da guberment in place. Big business will adjust itself to any and all political realities as they did in the 1860s when they had 12 year olds working 16 hours a day until they died at 35. Your dangerous and naive historical ignorance is a fright to behold. You know how to move the chess pieces, but to plant a knight on the sixth rank on a weak square is completely out of your league.

I expect very little form this society, especially if we limp along. The only reason why I bother is to plant the seeds for the day it really falls apart and hopefully people will not create a welfare, police state when it does happen.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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obama "stimulates" the economy with $800 BILLION DOLLARS.

Not one net job created.

obama suggests tax credits for new hires....very few takers.

obama suggests tax credits for businesses to hire veterans......very few takers.

WHY?

If there is NO demand for a product, a business doesn't need any more employees. Employees cost money.

It's as simple as this....get rid of the corporate tax rate, get the EPA under control.

Make America business friendly and jobs will follow.

You'll see proof once Mitt Romney is POTUS!

Not gonna happen, tiger. Your boy's going down in flames.
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: around racist white people
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
obama "stimulates" the economy with $800 BILLION DOLLARS.

Not one net job created.

obama suggests tax credits for new hires....very few takers.

obama suggests tax credits for businesses to hire veterans......very few takers.

WHY?

If there is NO demand for a product, a business doesn't need any more employees. Employees cost money.

It's as simple as this....get rid of the corporate tax rate, get the EPA under control.

Make America business friendly and jobs will follow.

You'll see proof once Mitt Romney is POTUS!
Unless you can compete with overseas wages, your point is moot at best.. lowering taxes on business won't help one bit since they just pocket the extra.

If you get rid of minimum wage laws what can stop a company from paying $1.35 a hour for manual labor. I worked for 1.35 a hour when I was 16...

If you let companies have it their way you have to put a stance on inflation, overall the average wages cannot get too far outta hand with the actual cost of living...

Apple is a great example, the iphone would cost $500 on contract if the workers made let's say 10 a hour....

You republicans aren't realistic at all.

Also, Americans have a certain standard of living, you're going to try to go against that by lowering wages and cutting taxes on businesses.. that's not a good idea. Suicide will go up and consumer spending will go way down.

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Old 06-02-2012, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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They don't have to.. they get a check and food stamps and that is all they have to understand.
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
obama "stimulates" the economy with $800 BILLION DOLLARS.

Not one net job created.

obama suggests tax credits for new hires....very few takers.

obama suggests tax credits for businesses to hire veterans......very few takers.

WHY?

If there is NO demand for a product, a business doesn't need any more employees. Employees cost money.

It's as simple as this....get rid of the corporate tax rate, get the EPA under control.

Make America business friendly and jobs will follow.

You'll see proof once Mitt Romney is POTUS!
How will getting rid of the corporate tax rate and EPA create demand?
This is asinine talking points mumbo jumbo. Do you have any original thoughts?
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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Obama and his supporters are two different things. No true lefty would be a lackey for Wall Street.

I personally don't know any liberals who still support Obama. I know plenty of Democrat partisan hacks who do, but don't ever confuse leftists with Democrats. I also know some liberals who don't support Obama but will vote for him because they consider him the lesser of two evils. Just like conservatives will vote for Romney, even though he isn't that much more conservative than Obama.

It's ridiculous and absurd to claim to have insight into what a person secretly thinks. Judge him on his actions.

What has Obama proposed that is socialist?????
First off, I agree with the first part of your thread. I think Obama speaks about socialist issues (redistributing wealth) far more than he actually proposes it.
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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Case-Shiller?

lol...

Old data based on the market 6 months ago based on resales of existing properties presenting a picture of the market 3 months ago.

I'm watching the market today.
I posted a link with stats. You posted claims with nothing to back them up.

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Millions are unable to refinance their homes. Hundreds of thousands are unable to get loans or, are rejected even when those with identical portfolios are accepted. You have no idea what you're talking about. Professional publications tend to skip the spoonfed propaganda fed to the masses.
Again, just because you are able to state it, does not make it facts.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Romney is being touted by the GOP as the "economic answer" due to his business experience.

His business was buying up American companies, laying off the workers, gutting the assets, and then selling what remained.

A brilliant choice to lead America through the greatest economic downturn in over 80 years.

For a nation that needs to go through Chapter 11 or in some cases Chapter 7 Bankrupcy he is a great choice! I can't wait for the GOP to unlock stakeholder value in Social Security and Medicare. He is as good a business man as Milo Minderbender from Catch 22 (The Movie) . Remember when Yossarian opened his parachute and found a piece of paper giving him a share in MM Enterprises. Milo had taken the silk parachutes to trade for Egyptian Cotton and had put the share certificates in the men's parachute packs!
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Cool hmm...

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I posted a link with stats. You posted claims with nothing to back them up.



Again, just because you are able to state it, does not make it facts.

You posted data you don't comprehend. The S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices are calculated monthly using a three-month moving average and published with a two month lag...

From your source -
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Chief economist of listing service Trulia, Jed Kolko, says the Case-Shiller Index's February numbers come as relatively positive news for the housing market, however.

He says that some indices, which gauge home-price movements based on asking prices, suggest that the market improvement shown by Case-Shiller -- which he says actually reflect prices in the fall of 2011 -- should continue until prices actually rise.

The Trulia Price Monitor, an index that Kolko has helped develop, shows that prices bottomed out sometime in January, he says.

Freddie Mac, the taxpayer-owned mortgage giant, has placed multibillion-dollar bets that pay off if homeowners stay trapped in expensive mortgages with interest rates well above current rates.

Freddie began increasing these bets dramatically in late 2010, the same time that the company was making it harder for homeowners to get out of such high-interest mortgages.

Investigators have found at least $3.4 billion of Freddie's inverse floater deals, and their value is based mostly on interest payments on $19.5 billion of mortgage-backed securities. Freddie Mac's investment strategy is a direct contradiction to President Barack Obama's stated commitment to make homeowner refinancing more affordable.
Sources - Freddie Mac Bets Against American Homeowners - ProPublica
Bets Against Homeowners Must Stop, Freddie Mac Was Told - ProPublica
http://www.fhfa.gov/webfiles/23178/P...AStmt13012.pdf
Official Website of U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer: Press Releases - Boxer Criticizes Freddie Mac for Profiting Off Homeowners Trapped in High Interest Rate Mortgages

The latest data from the Federal Reserve shows that nearly a quarter of people who apply for loans are turned down.
Source - Nearly 25% of mortgage applications rejected | Chicago Breaking Business

Lenders reject about 1 in every 2 applications they receive to refinance a mortgage, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. About 30 percent of purchasers who apply for a mortgage are turned down.
Source - Mortgage Application Denied? Dont Despair | Bankrate.com

More than two million people were turned down for home loans, according to Federal data.
Source - FFIEC Home Page
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