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He expressed frustration with the Homeland Security Department for not responding to requests for access to a federal immigration database that could help verify voter eligibility. But the department said there were legal and technical difficulties in sharing the information.
“Federal law expressly requires your agency to respond to state inquiries seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within its jurisdiction for any purpose authorized by law,” Mr. Detzner wrote on Thursday to Janet Napolitano, the homeland security secretary.
There are throwing eligible voters under the bus to help insure illegal voters keep their vote.
A 1996 immigration crackdown law gives Florida the right to access the Homeland Security database known as SAVE, which stands for “Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements.” The federal law provides for “customer agencies to use SAVE for any legal purpose such as background investigations and voter registration.”
The words in that quote come from page 12 of Homeland Security’s own booklet on SAVE. So why won’t DHS heed the law and its own booklet and share its info?
It won’t say. “Talk to DOJ,” a Homeland Security official said in an email Friday
DOJ isn’t forthright, either.
You can find references for this going back to when this started.
Yep! Until the Fed's agree to furnish the database info they have that would solve the problem. Should Florida simply roll over and acquiesce to the Fed's/DOJ refusing to co-operate because they fear a loss of votes from the illegals?
LOGIC: The states are having to do the job incorrectly because 1/ the fed's refuse to do the job they took an oath to do. & 2/ they refuse to provide requested database info that would allow the state to do the job correctly.
More states should put the fed's behind the eight ball on this whole issue of illegalities of ALL things from illegal immigrants to illegal voters.
YOU should damn well demand they perform the role they took an oath to; why aren't you?
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The answer is to question why the DOJ is blocking Florida from accessing data that according to Homeland Securities rules is there for that purpose. They are hindering Florida's efforts to make sure that there is no false positives and those registered illegally are identified.
So neither one of you would have a problem if they just denied all Hispanics the right to vote until the DOJ turned over this information they're asking for?
So neither one of you would have a problem if they just denied all Hispanics the right to vote until the DOJ turned over this information they're asking for?
Huh? If you're on the list there is a reason and it doesn't have anything to do with being Hispanic.
Huh? If you're on the list there is a reason and it doesn't have anything to do with being Hispanic.
Ethnocentrics don't care about that. They have a victim mentality for their ethnic group. Another example is their claims of racial profiling against Hispanics in immigration enforcement. Well duh, most illegal aliens are Hispanic.
So neither one of you would have a problem if they just denied all Hispanics the right to vote until the DOJ turned over this information they're asking for?
Another attempt to castigate OTHERS in the role of bigots or racists whenever a law can be seen to negatively impact some while being applied equally to ALL.
Get down off your high horse for one minute and consider the duties and obligations of ALL your elected representatives when they accept the oath of office.
NO ONE has said a thing about Hispanics EXCEPT you. Are you implying the only idividuals negatively impacted by any attempts by ANY state to verify voter eligibility would be hispanics, if so, why would that be?
So neither one of you would have a problem if they just denied all Hispanics the right to vote until the DOJ turned over this information they're asking for?
Hispanics? No one is saying to let Greeks, Polish, Japanese, or anyone else that is here illegally voting privileges.
Yes, it's obvious that "hispanic" immigrants are known to break any law that inconveniences them --- including our immigration laws as well as our election laws -- but no illegals and no non-citizens should be voting in our elections. Voting should be restricted to US citizens.
Huh? If you're on the list there is a reason and it doesn't have anything to do with being Hispanic.
Lol... have you seen the criteria that Florida released the last time they used the list? If your name was similar to someone they suspected or if it could be an alias, you were flagged.
How can you have any faith that this list is anything but bogus when the only county to actually check each name against their records and found only 5% of them were accurate. That's One in Twenty. For everyone person that was correctly listed, NINETEEN were incorrectly listed.
xxxxxxxxxxxxoxxxxxxx. <<< That red o is the success rate of florida's crackdown on voter fraud. 1 in 20. 19 wrong for everyone correct. 5%. How many ways does that need to be broken down for you?
And so my questions still stands unanswered: would you be okay w/ FL deporting all Hispanics to catch the ones that are illegals?
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Another attempt to castigate OTHERS in the role of bigots or racists whenever a law can be seen to negatively impact some while being applied equally to ALL.
Get down off your high horse for one minute and consider the duties and obligations of ALL your elected representatives when they accept the oath of office.
NO ONE has said a thing about Hispanics EXCEPT you. Are you implying the only idividuals negatively impacted by any attempts by ANY state to verify voter eligibility would be hispanics, if so, why would that be?
No one's castigating anyone for being racist or bigoted. The breakdown happens to disproportionately affect Hispanics, but it's b/c they're trying to disenfranchise Democrat voters, not specifically Hispanics.
The point of this is how may people are you willing to disenfranchise to tackle a barely existent problem. The amount of people who've even been caught committing voter fraud is grossly, absurdly small compared to the number of actual voters who were removed from the rolls.
And so my questions still stands unanswered: would you be okay w/ FL deporting all Hispanics to catch the ones that are illegals?
You're confused, this topic and your original assertion was not about deportation or illegal immigrants.
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good So neither one of you would have a problem if they just denied all Hispanics the right to vote until the DOJ turned over this information they're asking for?
Having said that where is it you get the idea they are specifically targeting Hispanics?
No one's castigating anyone for being racist or bigoted. The breakdown happens to disproportionately affect Hispanics, but it's b/c they're trying to disenfranchise Democrat voters, not specifically Hispanics.
The point of this is how may people are you willing to disenfranchise to tackle a barely existent problem. The amount of people who've even been caught committing voter fraud is grossly, absurdly small compared to the number of actual voters who were removed from the rolls.
These are all opinions. The State of Florida is trying to verify ALL voters are duly registered through being citizens. THEY must feel there is a problem and have requested the relevant Federal database information be released for Florida to use as the law requires, but the Fed's refuse.
Hispanics being disproportionately affected would indicate perhaps the bulk of the problem with illegal voters might be with a particular group flauntlng the rules? Perhaps?
If a problem exists at all and the State wants to eradicate it; where would the objection come from to observe the law? One illegal vote is too many, don't you get that? Legal Hispanic voters should be laying the shame game on their brethren to comply as a right of pride; NOT squeeling like stuck pigs.
If you're a 90 year old veteran without the proper I/D; it's high time you got it and stop with the "but I sacrificed for my country" stuff. Honouring your countries reasonable requirements is not a "one-shot-does-all" prospect; it's a lifetime committment.
Tomorrow; the State issues a requirement that all of it's citizens on welfare must re-register and apply for a new secure membership card to enable easier processing of benefits; you gonna claim it's discriminatory, it's affecting one demographic disproportionately, it's an egregious hardship, NOPE ~ if you're a recipient, you're gonna attempt to be the first one in line to apply for the new card!
Enough of this bunk; voting is a right extended to verified citizens and rather than whining about how this Florida effort is misguided, you should all be lining up to do whatever the hell you must to protect a right and it's INTEGRITY that should have some value to you instead of all of this whining about how you're being put upon unfairly crap.
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