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Old 09-22-2007, 03:56 PM
 
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Is the free market "the way of nature," or is it just a game Adam Smith invented that has worked well, with some flaws, or poorly, or perfectly... what is it? Social animals seem to have more of a communal nature than humans have. What is capitalism at its very essence?

Arguments must be ambiguous and use big words in order to be considered for positive reputations. And I mean BIG words. Like "infallibilitationatoriumontage," except that the word would be real, instead of fake.
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:01 PM
 
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Is the free market "the way of nature," or is it just a game Adam Smith invented that has worked well, with some flaws, or poorly, or perfectly... what is it? Social animals seem to have more of a communal nature than humans have. What is capitalism at its very essence?

Why not just read an authoritative source to answer your question? Or is this a trolling rhetorical question, just to stir up useless discussion for someone's (possibly your) entertainment?

Have you done any reading of your own on this topic? My advice: read a good book!
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:00 PM
 
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Social animals seem to have more of a communal nature than humans have.
Far from being an expert on the animial world, I'd be willing to bet that the instincts of most animals is "I'm gonna meet my needs, that's all that counts" Only the strong survive (literally). True communalism is probably the exception.

Humans, generally speaking, exhibit charitable behavior towards the less fortunate. What animals do that?
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:02 PM
 
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Is the free market "the way of nature," or is it just a game Adam Smith invented that has worked well, with some flaws, or poorly, or perfectly... what is it? Social animals seem to have more of a communal nature than humans have. What is capitalism at its very essence?

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Too big a question but I'll boil my position down to a very simple analytical process. I'll divide the universe for this topic down to competitive vs cooperative. In this trade off, I side with competitive to maximize and optimize economic opportunities.
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:44 PM
 
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Be careful!
Capitalism is America's foremost religion. Being the only thing that matters, it's the meaning of life in America. We should all serve, obey, protect, defend, and worship this religion. It is our solemn duty and moral obligation. Even God said so. Although each one of us is nothing more than a tiny part of this machine, we must, in unity, keep our noses to the grindstone to serve the capitalist machine, and, at the same time, compete with each other. Of course, as with any machine, some parts will wear out before their time, and are simply thrown away, but we must always ensure that we have enough spare parts for replacements.

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Old 09-22-2007, 06:46 PM
 
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Or is this a trolling rhetorical question, just to stir up useless discussion for someone's (possibly your) entertainment?
Maybe..........................
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:47 PM
 
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Is the free market "the way of nature," or is it just a game Adam Smith invented that has worked well, with some flaws, or poorly, or perfectly... what is it? Social animals seem to have more of a communal nature than humans have. What is capitalism at its very essence?

Arguments must be ambiguous and use big words in order to be considered for positive reputations. And I mean BIG words. Like "infallibilitationatoriumontage," except that the word would be real, instead of fake.
the greatest guru i know (now that greenspan is gone) is probably rabbi lerner who wrote "the left hand of god" very impressive man.
without godliness captalism can be a monster.
stephen s
san diego ca
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:52 PM
 
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the greatest guru i know (now that greenspan is gone) is probably rabbi lerner who wrote "the left hand of god" very impressive man.
without godliness captalism can be a monster.
stephen s
san diego ca
Where is the godliness in capitalism? Can you cite some examples?
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:20 PM
 
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Basically, I see Capitalism as the the "human animal" free to rise to the limit of his abilities and ambitions. This freedom also allows him to be as selfish and greedy, or as altruistic, as his own conscience will allow. Capitalism has both the soaring "highs" and the abysmal "lows" that are glossed over in a gentler more socialist society.
It's that "right to be a selfish jerk" that has allowed American industry in the past to "shoot for the moon", and, selfush and ruthless or not, it tends to "suck" the general public along in its prosperity.
Attempts so "gentle down" capitalism's rough edges has invariably resulted in at least some degree of stifling of initiative. It's an on-going tug-of-war between a prosperous, but highly "uneven" society, and a "nicer", but much more constrained one. Each has its advantages and disadvantages...
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:25 PM
 
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Where is the godliness in capitalism? Can you cite some examples?
I'll chip in here--I think capitalism generates enough wealth that a person can BE Godly if he wants--but the system itself isn't Godly at all---I'd say Socialism is much more Godly--but it, also, depends on everyone "carrying his own weight", which, of course, not everyone does.

So we're faced with two imperfect systems, one marred by human greed so it can't be "fair" (capitalism), and the other marred by human laziness so some are willing to let others do the work (socialism). Both have their faults, but capitalism gives the bigger "bang" for the buck....
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