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Old 06-02-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I'm not going to look up specific laws. But, you can't deny that Sanctuary Cities exist.

Protecting illegal aliens from Federal Laws is anti-American.
Choosing not to enforce federal laws which you aren't paid to enforce is not un-American.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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Choosing not to enforce federal laws which you aren't paid to enforce is not un-American.
Arizona is trying to enforce a law that the Federal Government won't enforce. At their own expense.

And the Democrat administration is crapping all over them. The Obama administration is trying to knock down Arizona's law.

Obama's policy to impede Arizona's attempt to protect themselves from illegal aliens is anti-American.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Arizona is trying to enforce a law that the Federal Government won't enforce. At their own expense.
I don't agree with Obama's policy on that, but either way, the point raised was about "sanctuary cities." Not the same thing.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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Just about all spending bills of the last 100 years.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Put your dinero where your boca is.

I always here claims of Liberal anti-Americanism. Let's here the policies-- and let's stick to actual policies that liberals have passed in to law-- not imaginary ones that only exist in the imagination of dittoheads and parrots.
Umm, How about Obamacare, that requires everyone to purchase health insurance from a private company, who's object is to make a profit?

It would seem to me that this serious breech of the constitution, would be about as unamerican as one can get.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Umm, How about Obamacare, that requires everyone to purchase health insurance from a private company, who's object is to make a profit?

It would seem to me that this serious breech of the constitution, would be about as unamerican as one can get.
How is this any different than being required to have liability insurance if you want to drive a car?

Granted.....you don't have to drive a car......so you wouldn't have to buy the insurance.

However, are the people who do not buy health insurance going to forgo medical care when needed.........NO. They are going to go running to the hospital......and then the rest of us will pay higher rates to cover their care.

Isn't it also unAmerican to force me to pay more for my insurance because I have to pick up the tab for those who don't?

If they want the right to avail themselves of medical care when needed....why shouldn't they be required to buy insurance? Just like I am required to buy insurance if I want the right to drive my car?

I don't see anything unAmerican about it.

And I don't understand why "personal responsibility" Republicans are against it. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:07 PM
 
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Gun control and registration.
Sanctuary cities (mostly)
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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How is this any different than being required to have liability insurance if you want to drive a car?

Granted.....you don't have to drive a car......so you wouldn't have to buy the insurance.
The answer is simple, driving a car is a privilege, not a right. You have to earn a drivers license, you then purchase a car, the insurance is not to protect you so much as to protect OTHER people from your actions, and to protect the bank's interest, if you owe them money on the vehicle.
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However, are the people who do not buy health insurance going to forgo medical care when needed.........NO. They are going to go running to the hospital......and then the rest of us will pay higher rates to cover their care.
And that is their prerogative. Forcing them to buy something from a private entity however is a direct violation of our constitution, and is unamerican.
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Isn't it also unAmerican to force me to pay more for my insurance because I have to pick up the tab for those who don't?
You pay lots of prices that are raised because of other people's actions. You pay more at the grocery store and department store because of thieves who steal, You pay more, because merchants raise prices to cover the fees they have to pay for credit card transactions, even though YOU may be paying cash.
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If they want the right to avail themselves of medical care when needed....why shouldn't they be required to buy insurance? Just like I am required to buy insurance if I want the right to drive my car?
Actually, they should be able to avail themselves of medical care, and if they had the chance to get insurance, and turned it down, then all costsw should be born by them. It was their choice, and the responsibility of that choice rests on their shoulders. However you are right it is a cost that people like US share. Comparing it to car insurance is inane however, you are saying that just because you are breathing you are required to buy insurance, because I earned my drivers license, and I bought a car and to protect YOU from any issue that may arise from MY driving of this vehicle, I have to buy insurance. It's not the same, and it's a stupid comparison.
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I don't see anything unAmerican about it.

And I don't understand why "personal responsibility" Republicans are against it. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
If you don't understand, it's not my fault. BTW, I am a Constitutionalist, leaning Libertarian.
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The answer is simple, driving a car is a privilege, not a right. You have to earn a drivers license, you then purchase a car, the insurance is not to protect you so much as to protect OTHER people from your actions, and to protect the bank's interest, if you owe them money on the vehicle.
And that is their prerogative. Forcing them to buy something from a private entity however is a direct violation of our constitution, and is unamerican.
You pay lots of prices that are raised because of other people's actions. You pay more at the grocery store and department store because of thieves who steal, You pay more, because merchants raise prices to cover the fees they have to pay for credit card transactions, even though YOU may be paying cash.
Actually, they should be able to avail themselves of medical care, and if they had the chance to get insurance, and turned it down, then all costsw should be born by them. It was their choice, and the responsibility of that choice rests on their shoulders. However you are right it is a cost that people like US share. Comparing it to car insurance is inane however, you are saying that just because you are breathing you are required to buy insurance, because I earned my drivers license, and I bought a car and to protect YOU from any issue that may arise from MY driving of this vehicle, I have to buy insurance. It's not the same, and it's a stupid comparison.
If you don't understand, it's not my fault. BTW, I am a Constitutionalist, leaning Libertarian.
So.....is healthcare a privilege or a right?
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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How is this any different than being required to have liability insurance if you want to drive a car?

Granted.....you don't have to drive a car......so you wouldn't have to buy the insurance.

However, are the people who do not buy health insurance going to forgo medical care when needed.........NO. They are going to go running to the hospital......and then the rest of us will pay higher rates to cover their care.

Isn't it also unAmerican to force me to pay more for my insurance because I have to pick up the tab for those who don't?

If they want the right to avail themselves of medical care when needed....why shouldn't they be required to buy insurance? Just like I am required to buy insurance if I want the right to drive my car?

I don't see anything unAmerican about it.

And I don't understand why "personal responsibility" Republicans are against it. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
The federal government does not have the power to require you to have liability insurance for your car. Another example of liberals not understanding the role of the federal government versus the states.
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