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Old 06-04-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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No, we get it, you imagine that there are government employees getting paychecks but not doing any work.

FYI, the private sector pays pensions too.
sure they do, but the money isnt stolen from my paycheck to pay them.
see the diff?
I'm guessing you dont.

 
Old 06-04-2012, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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sure they do, but the money isnt stolen from my paycheck to pay them.
see the diff?
I'm guessing you dont.
That is where you're completely wrong. When a government job gets sold out to the private FOR PROFIT sector, YOUR tax dollars are funneled over and spent for those private sector paychecks AND pensions
 
Old 06-04-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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If it is not the government's role to create jobs why do we have to listen to the constant wingnut drum beat about Obama not creating enough jobs?
but the government certainly has a role in it

regualtions and taxes play a big role in job creation/elimination
 
Old 06-04-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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sure they do, but the money isnt stolen from my paycheck to pay them.
see the diff?
I'm guessing you dont.
it actually costs the government (taxpayer) MORE for a private contractor than for a government employee
 
Old 06-04-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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it actually costs the government (taxpayer) MORE for a private contractor than for a government employee
Funny how that "for profit" thingie means there is a "return on investment" thingie that the private sector must deal with. Any time you're paying someone (INVESTORS AND SHAREHOLDERS) you're going to be at a competitive disadvantage to a government (NON PROFIT) entity. The only way a for profit can compete while paying the non productive investors with their hands out is to lower wages and benifits for the productive workers.

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Old 06-04-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If it is not the government's role to create jobs why do we have to listen to the constant wingnut drum beat about Obama not creating enough jobs?
On a related point, this is Rex Nutting on how the nation, public and private aren't investing in the future:

Investments in the future have dried up - MarketWatch
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) – When I was growing up in the 1960s and 1970s, the legacy of the Great Depression was everywhere: Dams, bridges, roads, airports, courthouses and even picnic areas and hiking trails. Leaders of that dire time — Democrats and Republicans — took advantage of the Depression to put millions of Americans back to work, building the infrastructure that we still rely on today
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The fact is, we’re investing less than we were before the recession hit more than four years ago, not just in government money but in private money, as well.

Here are the facts, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis: Government investments (in structures and in equipment) ramped up between 2007 and 2010, only to fall back to 2005 levels by early 2012. The trajectory for private-sector investments was the opposite — a collapse followed by a modest rebound — but they arrived in the same place: back at 2005 levels, some 6% lower than when the recession began.
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Looking just at investments in structures (such as buildings, roads, mines, utilities and factories), private companies are investing no more today (in inflation-adjusted terms) than they were in late 1978, according to data from the BEA.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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GSA employees under IG investigation received $1.1M in bonuses - FederalNewsRadio.com

Government employee's at work.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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What I hear in this post is using the economic crisis as an excuse to do what conservatives always want to do, namely, cut the size of government. It isn't limited to the U.S. It's the same thing going on in the UK (video.)

By the way, cutting back on the number of government employees isn't always a good thing. Those employees perform a function, such as inspect the meat that you buy. In another sense, those employees are your customers and if you cut back on customers, you will lose your job.

Most of the jobs cut were local and state jobs. The president has little to no influence here, unless they start bailing out states, which I'm not in favor of.

Most of the government cuts have amounted to few, if any, cuts in programs or limits the effectiveness of government.

So it seems to me that if this means we are cutting needless jobs, that's a good thing.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Most of the jobs cut were local and state jobs. The president has little to no influence here, unless they start bailing out states, which I'm not in favor of.

Most of the government cuts have amounted to few, if any, cuts in programs or limits the effectiveness of government.

So it seems to me that if this means we are cutting needless jobs, that's a good thing.
When that happens to private payroll, we go thru a recessionary period and except for quick-buck beneficiaries and those with golden parachutes, the rest lose. More with less can be efficient, but it can also be ridiculous, overwhelming and generally counter-productive. I personally dealt with the nuisance as a project manager for one of the largest corporations in the USA.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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So it seems to me that if this means we are cutting needless jobs, that's a good thing.

Damn right it is.
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