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Do you agree with any one person 100% of the time?
No, but I don't use those with only selective agreement to create threads and trumpet as that person is absolutely right (and in the next breath, I he is someone I hate/dislike... you name it). I do give credit deserved for right decisions (for example, Bush recognizing Pakistan as a problem) but you won't see me running around screaming in excitement like y'all do. Never mind the fact that you would hate that very person's take on tax rates in the USA.
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We do admire Clinton when he is not engaging in dishonest politics, he is an intelligent man, and a gifted public speaker who does not need a teleprompter.
People who live in dishonesty, in denial, should not speak of honest versus dishonest politics.
No, but I don't use those with only selective agreement to create threads and trumpet as that person is absolutely right (and in the next breath, I he is someone I hate/dislike... you name it). I do give credit deserved for right decisions (for example, Bush recognizing Pakistan as a problem) but you won't see me running around screaming in excitement like y'all do. Never mind the fact that you would hate that very person's take on tax rates in the USA.
People who live in dishonesty, in denial, should not speak of honest versus dishonest politics.
We get excited because it's so rare when a high profile democrat speaks the truth and gets off their partisan soap box; it's like watching monkeys using tools for the first time.
People who live in dishonesty, in denial, should not speak of honest versus dishonest politics.
I take this as a personal attack. Just because you disagree with me most of the time, does not mean I'm dishonest. Cite for me where I have ever lied in these forums, or shut the hell up.
Once again, you lose an argument, so you go off topic.
We get excited because it's so rare when a high profile democrat speaks the truth and gets off their partisan soap box; it's like watching monkeys using tools for the first time.
There is no such thing as truth in projections. I recall this "truth" being spoken in 2000 and implemented in 2001. It took a damning 2-3 years before the job recovery began and riding solely on a quickly expanding bubble that lasted barely two years.
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I take this as a personal attack. Just because you disagree with me most of the time, does not mean I'm dishonest. Cite for me where I have ever lied in these forums, or shut the hell up.
Once again, you lose an argument, so you go off topic.
No, disagreement is not why I called you dishonest. Intellectual dishonesty is a part and parcel of pretty much every argument I counter here. Clearly, you're not the only one. So, I'm not attacking you personally, but the entire collective of which you're a part. I'm sure you do that too?
PS. An example of dishonesty: Obama uses teleprompter. Nobody else does and did, right? Well, calling it dishonest argument is actually being nice.
People wouldn't care about the tax cuts as much if Republicans hadn't made tackling the deficit their central issue and decided that doing on the backs of the poor and middle-class was the way to do it.
It's very simple math in the Keynesian equation (C+I+G+Xn). Assuming a 15 trillion $ economy, automatic 100 billion cut = ~1% less in GDP. Simultaneous tax increase is less money for consumer. Using the consumption function, just a 1.5% raise in the effective tax rate nationally would cause another 1% dip in GDP. Combined, these two eradicate the 2% in growth we've been experiencing: boom recession.
There is no such thing as truth in projections. I recall this "truth" being spoken in 2000 and implemented in 2001. It took a damning 2-3 years before the job recovery began and riding solely on a quickly expanding bubble that lasted barely two years.
No, disagreement is not why I called you dishonest. Intellectual dishonesty is a part and parcel of pretty much every argument I counter here. Clearly, you're not the only one. So, I'm not attacking you personally, but the entire collective of which you're a part. I'm sure you do that too?
PS. An example of dishonesty: Obama uses teleprompter. Nobody else does and did, right? Well, calling it dishonest argument is actually being nice.
Of course other people use a teleprompter, but Obama uses them more then anyone else. With good reason, because when he is off the prompter the bumbling, mumbling, pettiness and sarcasm that comes out is a stark contrast to the assertive tennis line-referee, that we see when he is on the prompter.
Once again, just because we disagree does not mean I'm being intellectually dishonest, which is nothing more then calling me a purposeful liar. Clinton is an intellectual liar, but he does speak the truth now and then.
People wouldn't care about the tax cuts as much if Republicans hadn't made tackling the deficit their central issue and decided that doing on the backs of the poor and middle-class was the way to do it.
From 2000-2008 the federal budget was anywhere from $2 trillion to $2.7 trillion, under Obama it has been $3.5 trillion to $3.8 trillion. Back in 2008, Obama referred to Bush's spending rate as irresponsible and "unpatriotic".
Aren't you curious why we are spending a trillion more each year? I'll bet some of this spending is going to new social welfare programs, and we need to cut it out. Don't you see that cutting this wild federal budget spending is needed, and that this is playing a major part in our deficit??
Of course other people use a teleprompter, but Obama uses them more then anyone else.
And as with every dishonest argument, I doubt you can back it up. Besides, what difference does it make if you have a teleprompter versus a piece of paper? Heck, do you think those political entertainers you listen to, preaching this teleprompter issue to the choir, aren't using it themselves? Get a clue. Whine about things that aren't childish bickerings.
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Once again, just because we disagree does not mean I'm being intellectually dishonest, which is nothing more then calling me a purposeful liar. Clinton is an intellectual liar, but he does speak the truth now and then.
I don't think you will agree with the very same subject you're calling "truth" if you understood what Bill meant. Will that truth then become a lie? You've called him an intellectual liar already, so you've covered the ground already. Lee Atwater would be proud.
And no, disagreement does not guarantee intellectual dishonesty. But intellectual dishonesty pretty much guarantees disagreement.
From 2000-2008 the federal budget was anywhere from $2 trillion to $2.7 trillion, under Obama it has been $3.5 trillion to $3.8 trillion. Back in 2008, Obama referred to Bush's spending rate as irresponsible and "unpatriotic".
You know that the President doesn't control spending right? You know that most of that spending is due to the recession, right? Seriously, hate that spending and the deficit, go hold accountable those who caused the mess.
The social conservatives had control of the House, Senate and Presidency for 75% of the two terms leading up to the economic collapse. The collapse was caused mostly by lax financial regulations and an over-stimulation of the economy. Guess who's mantra is "regulation bad".
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