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I think this is the winner here. So outlaw public worker unions and employees right of collective bargaining. Then the government can hire more and more and take over more work with their cheap workforce. Isnt that the GOP dream? Big government and control over the citizens. Why not hand out jail time for being late to work too? How far are you willing to go here?
Every State should be a "Right-To-Work" State. No one should be forced to join, and pay, a union to keep their job. Public sector unions subvert the will of the people and should never be allowed under any circumstances. Anyone who proposes establishing a public sector union should be shot on sight.
True, Walker himself is caught on video saying he is going to "divide and conquer" the state, first starting with collective bargaining, then moving onto destroying the private sector.
false
walker has nothing to do with the private sector.unless he is going to RAISE taxes to kill the private sector...like liberals do
even FDR said that public employees should NOT have barganing rights
Yeah...that's his goal. Destroy the private sector!
Your great master is caught on video saying so. He is completely owned by the Koch's and other right wing extremists that want nothing more than to destroy the middle class to reign in their corporatist fascism.
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Its time for you people to get over your loss, that you deserved, and move on. The public tax payer funded unions got what was coming to them, and what they deserved. Deal with it.
The only ones that lost were Walker's corporate owners spending over 30 million dollars and gained nothing
Though I don't see why those on the far right think destroying teachers and the middle class, while spending like madmen on giveaways to the rich is a good thing. It sounds like something only someone that was truly deranged would stand by
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We can only hope this spreads. You dont have to always raise taxes to get things done as Wisconsin proved.
False, Walker eliminated the homested exemption causing property taxes to go up quite substantially to many, hitting the elderly the hardest and ones that relied on it most.
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You dont always have to fire people.
More lies, over 300 teachers lost their jobs, that Walker said wouldn't happen.
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Some times all it takes, is a little bit of common sense. A little bit of these guys paying in to their own pensions and such. Its not that difficult to understand or justify because its common sense. Unless you're a liberal.
Uh, you do understand that the teacher's union agreed 100% with Walker and the GOP's massive cuts to their salaries and pensions right?
The teacher's union understood that the state was in trouble and there needed to be some serious belt tightening to be done, which is why they agreed to it. Walker on the other hand went up and beyond by trying to completely destroy them, which is what the whole recall was about in the first place.
You are right, it's not that difficult to understand or justify wanting to have a thriving middle class and a great nation for everyone, because it's common sense. Unless you're a right winger.
Your great master is caught on video saying so. He is completely owned by the Koch's and other right wing extremists that want nothing more than to destroy the middle class to reign in their corporatist fascism.
corporate fascism.....liberalism
its liberals and their globalist policies that have been killing the middleclass
False, Walker eliminated the homested exemption causing property taxes to go up quite substantially to many, hitting the elderly the hardest and ones that relied on it most.
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not quite the way you put it
In July 2010, Wisconsin initiated a new transitional jobs pilot program for jobless adults who don’t have access to unemployment benefits. In contrast to the state’s other welfare reform programs, workers in the new pilot program will be eligible for the state and federal EITC and the Property Tax Circuit Breaker, known as the Homestead Tax Credit. State fiscal analysts expect it to increase the cost of the state EITC by $1 million per year.
Although the Wisconsin EITC appears to be politically popular, on March 1, 2011, Governor Scott Walker introduced his 2011-2013 biennial budget, which called for reducing the EITC by $41.3 million over the next two years.
On Tuesday, May 31, the Joint Finance Committee adopted a change to the EITC that would modify the Governor’s proposal, increasing the total size of the EITC cut to $56.2 million, and changing how families will be affected. Families with two children will only be able to claim 11 percent of the EITC, compared to the current 14 percent, a less severe cut than the governor proposed, and families with three or more children will be able to claim 34 percent instead of 43 percent, a more severe cut than under the Governor’s proposal. Under the JFC proposal, families with two children will have a maximum cut of $154 (compared to $307 in the Governor’s plan), and families with three or more kids will face a maximum cut of as much as $518 (versus $154 in the Governor’s bill).
The legislature passed the budget without changing the EITC provision, and the governor signed it on June 26. Despite reducing the credit, Wisconsin will continue to provide one of the higher state EITC benefits in the country.
Yes, public compensation is grossly out of line with private compensation -- private compensation is higher.
You might want to find a source that doesn't
have an agenda!
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There is a fundamental difference between private and public employee unions.
I one case you have the interests of the employees in contrast to the profits of a private company.
In the other you have the interests of public employees in contrast to the interests of the taxpayers.
The latter has resulted in many municipalities spending more in pensions than they do on education, or maintenance of essential services which is the purpose of government to begin with.
We are definitely in a situation where the tail has been wagging the dog, and it was good to see the beginnings of a turnaround in last night’s elections.
I believe that Unions are necessary. All you have to do is read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" to see a world without Unions.
However, Unions cannot be allowed to become "all powerful" - which is what, by nature, they want to do. There must be BALANCE.
In privately owned companies, Management/Union balance is easier. If the company goes broke, everyone is out of a job. Therefore, it is in everyone's best interest to work together and make compromises.
With Public Employee Unions, however, there is no such balance. Municipalities don't go broke. They just raise property taxes. So the balance has to come as a result of something else. That "something else" is ELECTIONS.
I believe that Unions are necessary. All you have to do is read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" to see a world without Unions.
However, Unions cannot be allowed to become "all powerful" - which is what, by nature, they want to do. There must be BALANCE.
In privately owned companies, Management/Union balance is easier. If the company goes broke, everyone is out of a job. Therefore, it is in everyone's best interest to work together and make compromises.
With Public Employee Unions, however, there is no such balance. Municipalities don't go broke. They just raise property taxes. So the balance has to come as a result of something else. That "something else" is ELECTIONS.
In all things... BALANCE
These Republipunks don't read much, other than what they post on here.
I believe that Unions are necessary. All you have to do is read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" to see a world without Unions.
However, Unions cannot be allowed to become "all powerful" - which is what, by nature, they want to do. There must be BALANCE.
In privately owned companies, Management/Union balance is easier. If the company goes broke, everyone is out of a job. Therefore, it is in everyone's best interest to work together and make compromises.
With Public Employee Unions, however, there is no such balance. Municipalities don't go broke. They just raise property taxes. So the balance has to come as a result of something else. That "something else" is ELECTIONS.
In all things... BALANCE
The problem is elections do not cure the ills of public unions. So far the only solution’s to public unions has been the bankruptcy of the municipalities.
They have become an out of control monster that run up huge budget deficits, take money from roads, water systems, sewers, increase taxes, cause layoffs, and eventually bankrupt the entire system.
While I support private unions and the institution of collective bargaining, public unions are a disaster, and in complete contrast to the interest of the public.
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