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Old 06-10-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Hasn't Estonia had the most successful economy of the former communist countries? They were the first to go with the flat tax.
When a third of your budget comes as a courtesy of EU, when your 1.2 million people can rely on demand from Germany... sure, you're going to be successful.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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I was about to post some info related to Germany. This touches on one explanation for why the Baltic countries are doing better even with austerity.


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What recoveries they have enjoyed, many economists put down to geography. Christensen said: "If you compare the Baltic states to Bulgaria, which has passed similar austerity measures and has not recovered in any way to the same degree, there is only one real difference and that is, who's your neighbour."

The Baltic states are near the wealthy Scandinavian countries, while Bulgaria sits next to Greece. Latvia does almost 70% of its foreign trade with the Nordics, Germany, Poland and Russia, which have all returned to growth...

Estonia and Latvia: Europe's champions of austerity? | World news | guardian.co.uk

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Old 06-10-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I was about to post some info related to Germany. This touches on one explanation for why the Baltic countries are doing better even with austerity.
Bulgaria is also extremely corrupt. Let's not pretend that doesn't make a difference. Also, the Baltic states are on the Baltic Sea, with easy shipping access to wealthy countries. Bulgaria's on the Black Sea, with easy access to...Romania? Ukraine? Turkey? Abkhazia? um.... Case closed.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Not very convincing. As you can see this data is from 2009, and has no relevance to the time period in question. Additionally the estimate quoted in the piece isn't supported by anything.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:14 AM
 
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Additionally the estimate quoted in the piece isn't supported by anything.
This is in fact a rule for tiny Estonia. Here's a search term in Russian that returns lots of snippets that confirm working abroad:

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Old 06-11-2012, 04:40 AM
 
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This is in fact a rule for tiny Estonia. Here's a search term in Russian that returns lots of snippets that confirm working abroad:

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Actually, it isn't. The numbers working abroad have shrunk, even according to your non sourced link.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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Actually, it isn't.
Estonians themselves think otherwise.

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The numbers working abroad have shrunk, even according to your non sourced link.
Doubled after it joined the EU.

Estonians say that unemployed and underemployed seek employment abroad. Often specialists do low-skilled work.

Whatever the real numbers are, its clear that state stats are seriously off.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I was about to post some info related to Germany. This touches on one explanation for why the Baltic countries are doing better even with austerity.
It is even more interesting to see the Estonia is doing great argument when you consider that the recovery in Estonia isn't anything to write home about. The real GDP has crawled upwards but is still at a level last seen in late 2008-2009.



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But, it is understandable why Estonian President would get his panties twisted in a knot at Krugman's remark. His perspective is that of a governing politician.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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Meanwhile, Sweden seems to be doing well under austerity over the past 20 years.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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Meanwhile, Sweden seems to be doing well under austerity over the past 20 years.
Should we be more like Sweden, politically, and as a welfare state?



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