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You quote it, and then add on digusting and vile and coward. Do you not agree with the thing you quoted and then added to?
Do you have an argument other than name calling and baseless personal attacks like accusing people of despising Jesus because they dare to point out the inconsistency of someone's position on changing the pledge?
Wrong. The "tradition" angle was tossed out in the OP:
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It was tradition to NOT have the "under God" line in the pledge for longer than it has been tradition to have it in there.
So, if he/she really believes the heart of the issue is upholding traditions, we should actually revert to the original wording. No?
I'm not defending "traditions." I'm defending the use of "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge. I'm not sure why you or the other poster are conflating my position with the position of another poster.
You quote it, and then add on digusting and vile and coward. Do you not agree with the thing you quoted and then added to?
Do you have an argument other than name calling and baseless personal attacks like accusing people of despising Jesus because they dare to point out the inconsistency of someone's position on changing the pledge?
My argument is clear:
1) The family who filed a lawsuit in anonymity are COWARDS. If they have a problem with the pledge, then do it under the principle of sunlight instead of hiding from their unpopular position.
2) There's not a doubt in my mind that the family involved are far left liberal atheists who hate Jesus. Their ideology is vile, disgusting, and out of touch with the majority of Americans who have ZERO problem with the pledge.
3) You're not interested in tradition. You're interested in challenging the assertions pushed by the OP because you hate Jesus and his followers. Why else would you care? You seem to have taken up the cause of this family for them. If it walks like a duck.....if it quacks like a duck.............then most likely you are a God-hating far left atheist as well. The only difference is that they hide like cowards and you argue the point based on "tradition."
When I was in high school (10 years ago now starting around 2001) I rarely if ever stood up and said the Pledge of Allegiance. It wasn't required at the time in the state of Virginia (I don't know if it is or not now) and I took a lot of flak or it. When questioned why I don't stand up for the Pledge, I had this to say towards a teacher:
"It is well within my Constitutional right whether or not I choose to stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance. While I have nothing wrong personally with the words and the whole deal itself, I am exercising my natural born and American rights by opting not to stand up for the words. I cause to trouble or mischief by doing this and I do observe the Moment of Silence."
It's poetic that I then entered the military for 4 years although I don't consider myself that much of a patriot back then and even now (OH NO! He served in the military and ISN'T a patriot of America?! That's Un-American! LOL) and did more to serve and protect my country than those who had a problem with me not standing for the pledge. Oh the irony
1) The family who filed a lawsuit in anonymity are COWARDS. If they have a problem with the pledge, then do it under the principle of sunlight instead of hiding from their unpopular position.
Thou Shalt not Judge. Or did you conveniently forget that and decided to do God's work for that goof up in the sky? Some religious follower you are.
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2) There's not a doubt in my mind that the family involved are far left liberal atheists who hate Jesus. Their ideology is vile, disgusting, and out of touch with the majority of Americans who have ZERO problem with the pledge.
Yes because you obviously know them personally. You're just assuming that's what they are because a family decided to challenge your precious little tradition with the words 'Under God' in the Pledge. We're a majority SECULAR nation, not a Christian one. Get your facts straight, thanks!
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3) You're not interested in tradition. You're interested in challenging the assertions pushed by the OP because you hate Jesus and his followers. Why else would you care? You seem to have taken up the cause of this family for them. If it walks like a duck.....if it quacks like a duck.............then most likely you are a God-hating far left atheist as well. The only difference is that they hide like cowards and you argue the point based on "tradition."
Thou Shalt not Judge, as I said earlier. You sure to do love spreading the 'word' of God, huh? That word being be one hatred and bigotry. I would call you a bigoted, unpatriotic, Anti-American since this family is exercising their RIGHT to challenge something, but that's beneath me. You know what you are and will have to live with it. I also feel sorry for you and I pity you. I pray (LOL) that your "God" will take mercy on your soul for spreading vile hatred in his name.
1) The family who filed a lawsuit in anonymity are COWARDS. If they have a problem with the pledge, then do it under the principle of sunlight instead of hiding from their unpopular position.
2) There's not a doubt in my mind that the family involved are far left liberal atheists who hate Jesus. Their ideology is vile, disgusting, and out of touch with the majority of Americans who have ZERO problem with the pledge.
3) You're not interested in tradition. You're interested in challenging the assertions pushed by the OP because you hate Jesus and his followers. Why else would you care? You seem to have taken up the cause of this family for them. If it walks like a duck.....if it quacks like a duck.............then most likely you are a God-hating far left atheist as well. The only difference is that they hide like cowards and you argue the point based on "tradition."
For a variety of reasons, the identity of a plaintiff is often concealed. It does not indicate cowardice. The lawsuit still takes place in public.
There is absolutely nothing at all to indicate the politics of a plaintiff that is trying to keep the government true to the Constitution be staying completely our of religion. As a matter of fact, the traditional definition of a Conservative was someone who read the Constitution from the viewpoint that forbids Congress from every actions unless explicitly allowed. Conservative and Liberal are not terms that have anything to do with whether someone hates Jesus. You are wayy out of line to accuse someone of something you have no evidence to support. Borderline personal attack.
. You're interested in challenging the assertions pushed by the OP because you hate Jesus and his followers. Why else would you care? You seem to have taken up the cause of this family for them. If it walks like a duck.....if it quacks like a duck.............then most likely you are a God-hating far left atheist as well. The only difference is that they hide like cowards and you argue the point based on "tradition."
Is it really possible that you are so ignorant? Atheists do not "hate jesus " or "hate god". We generally adhere to the principle that it is not possible to hate someone or something that does not exist.
We do hate the idea that theists should be allowed and eve encouraged to impose their misguided beliefs on the rest of us.
I'm not defending "traditions." I'm defending the use of "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge. I'm not sure why you or the other poster are conflating my position with the position of another poster.
Actually those are two phrases. "One Nation" was always in the Pledge. "Under God" was added 60-some years after the Pledge was adopted.
Really, these days it's not a big deal. I've been in classrooms over the past year in several school districts and pretty much none of the kids actually say the pledge..they just stand there, some do put their hands over their hearts but most don't.
In each classroom though they did stand; that is still required. But, given time, even that will be optional.
So you older folks..stop worrying. The kids don't say the pledge and I don't even know how many know the words to the pledge. It doesn't mean anything to kids today in public school.
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