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Old 06-15-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Home School.Simple as that or Public School at home...considering both right now either way I control what is taught and when.
That's been termed, with some justification, as "educational inbreeding."
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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In Mississippi ab+ will be starting this year, but not in every school. Prior to this year it was ab only.

I am showing that ab only, and high teen birth rates go hand in hand.
The facts are that 50 plus years ago abstinence was the only thing taught and the rate of pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases was far lower.

I am not advocating abstinence only sex ed. I am completely fine with kids getting the facts. But there is more to the rapid rate of teen pregnancy and STD's than a simple lack of education.

IMO it's cultural. It's that teen pregnancy has become the cool thing to do for so many and nobody tells them it isn't.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:46 PM
 
Location: California
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The Principal made the wrong call here, no doubt about that. But comparing it to "rape" is worse. And calling for private school is silly since they come with their own set of problems inculding kids and teachers who were dumped by the public school system (as a product of private school I know what I'm talking about). Homeschool? Well thats probably not a good option for most people anyway. The best solution is to be involved in your childs school WHEREVER IT IS. I wonder how many parent volunteers were in the room that day and if there were none then why? Obviously just having a sex ed lesson would have required parental notification.

The lines on what were to be discussed should have been planned out before hand with questions anticipated and answers at the ready. If this is "standard procedure" then that community needs to review their procedures.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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The facts are that 50 plus years ago abstinence was the only thing taught and the rate of pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases was far lower.

I am not advocating abstinence only sex ed. I am completely fine with kids getting the facts. But there is more to the rapid rate of teen pregnancy and STD's than a simple lack of education.

IMO it's cultural. It's that teen pregnancy has become the cool thing to do for so many and nobody tells them it isn't.
This is true. Culture has a lot to do with it. But it is easier to educate than to change culture. Maybe with education, and time, the culture will change.

We had 18 girls who were pregnant in the HS that I sub in (those were just the visible ones). I don't know how many children of students were in the day care at the school, but it took up two full classrooms.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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How would you explain the transmission of herpes from genitalia to the mouth without telling someone that sometimes people put genitalia in their mouths?

How do you explain the necessity of wearing a condom to prevent diseases that can pass anally if you don't tell someone to wear a condom while having anal sex?

The principal was asked a direct question, and they answered. Hiding, and avoiding questions does not help stop the transmission of STDs, or reduce teen pregnancy.
The point is that kids should be asking their parents these questions. If we stop sex ed in schools, the parents won't have that crutch and will be forced to tell them eventually. Teachers should not be used as nannies. The are there to teach children acedemics it is the parents job to teach them about life. I realize this is not how it is, but it is how it should be.

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Old 06-15-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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The facts are that 50 plus years ago abstinence was the only thing taught and the rate of pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases was far lower.
Teen pregnancy rates are lower now than 50 years ago. (Teen birth rates were at their peak in 1957, actually--although of course abortion was illegal almost everywhere in 1957, so that's only part of the story.)
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The facts are that 50 plus years ago abstinence was the only thing taught and the rate of pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases was far lower.

I am not advocating abstinence only sex ed. I am completely fine with kids getting the facts. But there is more to the rapid rate of teen pregnancy and STD's than a simple lack of education.

IMO it's cultural. It's that teen pregnancy has become the cool thing to do for so many and nobody tells them it isn't.
Well of course not. The schools indirectly are condoning early sex and at earlier ages.
What no one is taking into account is the maturity level of these kids.

Everyone seems to think it's lack of education. BS..they know plenty these days including details. More than past generations of 12 year olds. And the number of teen pregnancies, as you noted, is NOT going down.

Why HS yearbooks now have a dedicated page for the "pregnant seniors".
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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The point is that kids should be asking their parents these questions. If we stop sex ed in schools, the parents won't have that crutch and will be forced to tell them eventually. Teachers should not be used as nannies. The are there to teach children acedemics it is the parents job to teach them about life. I realize this is not how it is, but it is how it should be.
I wonder how many parents were like mine? Good church going folk who told me "don't do it until you're married".
I had a thirst for knowledge and a library card, so I learned the facts for myself. How many kids do you think do that today? How many do you think will just listen to what the other kids tell them, and not go find the facts?
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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Teen pregnancy rates are lower now than 50 years ago. (Teen birth rates were at their peak in 1957, actually--although of course abortion was illegal almost everywhere in 1957, so that's only part of the story.)
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that.
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I wonder how many parents were like mine? Good church going folk who told me "don't do it until you're married".
I had a thirst for knowledge and a library card, so I learned the facts for myself. How many kids do you think do that today? How many do you think will just listen to what the other kids tell them, and not go find the facts?
Something went wrong with your quoted quote. That was not my post.
That was personwhoisaperson that posted that, not me.
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