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Old 06-19-2012, 08:20 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Originally Posted by Big George View Post
This is such a load.

Catholic Hospitals - and there are thousands of them - are not "denying women basic civil rights." They're simply saying it is against their religion to hand out birth control. Women are free to go elsewhere and pick up their contraceptives. So are men.

It's like screaming and yelling over a particular church's stance on abortion, or birth control, or homosexuality. If you don't like it, just go to a different church!

That is one of MANY things that Obama doesn't understand about the separation of church and state.
Catholic Hospitals are hospitals, not churches. Churches are religious institutions. Hospitals are health care facilities. Catholic Hospitals should have to comply with the same regulations that apply to Duke University Medical Center, Mass General, The Cleveland Clinic, or Johns Hopkins Medical Center.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Actually, you just made the best argument for a Supreme Being. Our rights come from God not the government or anyone or anything else. It's in our constitution. Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and it does not depend on what government we have in office at the time, it's our basic rights.

If we give over those rights to our government then they own us and can do anything they want to us. Our basic rights stand in the way of being overtaken by the government. Most of us think those basic rights come from God but you are free to think they come from inside you. We are still a free country. That is how our founding fathers wanted us to be.
Actually, that is incorrect. "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is a phrase that appears in the Declaration of Independence, which is not a document binding on the government of the United States. That binding document is the Constitution.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:07 PM
 
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Actually, that is incorrect. "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is a phrase that appears in the Declaration of Independence, which is not a document binding on the government of the United States. That binding document is the Constitution.

So that is why some in government believe it can be taken away from us. Thanks for the explaination. Sad though.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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This can be applied to much more than *just* birth control...
Obama's entire tenure as President, for example.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:52 PM
 
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I couldn't have said it better.



This can be applied to much more than *just* birth control...


No! HE DID NOT SAY THAT!! seriously?

He is forcing us to live HIS religious beliefs! His collective salvation! maybe someone made it up and said he said this, but he did not! OMGosh...this means NOTHING with him saying it. Nice, colorful pic of nothingness except some of the most blatant hypocrisy that I've ever witnessed.




Obama Collective Salvation - YouTube
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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Viagra is for a medical condition where the body is not acting the way it should, it's not working right. BC is to prevent the body from acting the way it should. You have sex, the body should be able to get pregnant if nothing is wrong with it. Pregnancy is not a disease like getting a tapeworm. Actually, BC is a carcinogen and bad to take. It will cause medical diseases like blood clots, etc.
Every month I used to have the most painful cramps you can imagine. I would faint every month. Almost passed out driving once.

My birth control has stopped this medical condition I have. So it should be covered, right? Since my body was not acting the way it should. It was not working right.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So that is why some in government believe it can be taken away from us. Thanks for the explaination. Sad though.
Except that in this case, you appear to be fine if bishops, mullahs, pastors and priests can take it away from individuals.
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