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....and yes, same thing. All of it stupid. Yet not worth the politically motivated circus.
There is that blatant disrespect for both the rule of law in regard to federal firearms laws and the DOJ's blatant violation of said laws and for the human lives lost and those further endangered all the while excusing this DOJ's cover-up and refusal to comply with subpoena.
While the far left screams for greater gun control for law abiding citizens they call trying to hold the Obama-Holder DOJ/BATFE accountable to already existing laws as "politics".
Oh please. Are you suggesting that the Mexican's knew all about it (and, of course, were involved with it) right up until the day Obama walked into the White House and then suddenly forgot?
Oh please. Are you suggesting that the Mexican's knew all about it (and, of course, were involved with it) right up until the day Obama walked into the White House and then suddenly forgot?
Now you are finally starting to figure it out......Operation Gun Runner was a completely different operation than F&F.....
Oh please. Are you suggesting that the Mexican's knew all about it (and, of course, were involved with it) right up until the day Obama walked into the White House and then suddenly forgot?
You almost got it connected but you have a few dots mixed up, or missing.
The Bush operation, Wide Receiver ended. The Mexican government was aware and participated in that program.
Operation Fast and Furious is an operation of the Obama administration in which arms dealers were encouraged to sales weapons for the purpose of being transported across the border. The Mexican government was neither aware nor participated in that operation. Current TV has an excellent editorial about that gun transport problem resulting in the death of hundreds of Mexican citizens, in Mexico.
That information has been discussed in multiple posts within this thread. I think that's why it's been made a sticky, to make it easy for interested parties to find the thread and information covered. I guess the key idea there is interested.
This began during the Bush administration. Should he go to jail too?
Oh, nice try! Fail! This did not begin during the Bush administration, as Jay Carney tried to claim. But you bought that lie hook line and sinker as Carney hoped you would. They count on the ignorance of the masses to slip their lies into the narrative.
The Bush administration had an operation that was in no way similar to this, but they did have tracking devices on weapons. The program was considered a failure, and was ended TWO YEARS PRIOR to Obama's "Fast and Furious," which was ill conceived and was for one purpose only — to justify more gun control. It was a ruse, and has resulted in many deaths.
Oh please. Are you suggesting that the Mexican's knew all about it (and, of course, were involved with it) right up until the day Obama walked into the White House and then suddenly forgot?
But what you are missing here is, this was in no way connected to the Bush erra operation, which had ended a full TWO YEARS PRIOR. This was not a continuation of that operation, as Jay Carney tried to claim. It is in no way similar to that operation.
Interim Review of ATF's Project Gunrunner
September 2009
We recommend that ATF:
1. assess whether other locations along the Southwest border represent a better use of Gunrunner resources intended for Roswell and Las Cruces to ensure maximum impact of Gunrunner resources.
2. Phoenix and Dallas Field Divisions develop deconfliction protocols to manage current and potential jurisdictional overlaps.
3. clearly define the roles and reporting structure of each staff member on the new Gunrunner teams.
4. ensure that staff on the new Gunrunner teams are not regularly diverted from working on firearms trafficking investigations to Mexico or related violent crime.
5. ensure sufficient current staff are proficient in Spanish by:
a. identifying the positions and job categories of new Gunrunner team members that require Spanish language proficiency,
b. prioritizing training for those individuals having a safety-related need for Spanish language skills, and
c. establishing measurable goals for providing Spanish language training to Gunrunner team members.
6. include in future vacancy announcements for Gunrunner team members that Spanish language proficiency is desirable.
7. develop more specific Recovery Act program measures to reflect firearms trafficking-specific data for criminal cases and defendants referred for prosecution as a result of Project Gunrunner.
In this report, we make 15 recommendations to ATF to help improve their efforts to combat firearms trafficking from the United States to Mexico. Specifically, we recommend that ATF:
1. Coordinate with the government of Mexico, the CBP, DEA and ICE to ensure systematic and regular exchanges of strategic intelligence to combat firearms trafficking to Mexico.
2. Work with the Department to explore options for seeking a requirement for reporting multiple sales of long guns.
3. Ensure that each Southwest border firearms trafficking enforcement group develops and regularly updates general guidelines for their Field Intelligence Group to follow that specify the most useful types of investigative leads.
4. Develop an automated process that enables ATF managers to track and evaluate the usefulness of investigative leads provided to firearms trafficking enforcement groups.
5. Develop and implement procedures for Southwest border intelligence personnel to routinely exchange intelligence-related information in accordance with ATF Order 3700.2A and the Intelligence Collection Plan.
6. Develop a method for Southwest border intelligence personnel to regularly share analytical techniques and best practices pertaining to Project Gunrunner.
7. Formalize a position description that establishes minimum expectations regarding the roles and responsibilities of border liaisons.
8. Focus on developing more complex conspiracy cases against higher level gun traffickers and gun trafficking conspirators.
9. Send guidance to field management, agents, and intelligence staff encouraging them to participate in and exploit the resources and tools of the OCDETF Program, as directed in the Deputy Attorney General’s cartel strategy.
10. Provide guidance to ATF field supervisors and agents to better coordinate with ICE, including direction on how to “coordinate all pertinent and necessary information” in areas of “concurrent jurisdiction,” as defined in the memorandum of understanding.
11. Work with the government of Mexico to determine the causes of unsuccessful traces and develop actions to improve the rate of successful traces.
12. Regularly and more effectively communicate ATF’s Project Gunrunner strategy to Mexican law enforcement authorities, including the value of gun tracing and the successes involving information or tracing information provided by Mexican agencies.
13. Develop better information sharing and intelligence analysis capability at its Mexico Country Office.
14. In coordination with the Mexico Attorney General’s office, evaluate the mutual benefits, roles, and information sharing protocols of the Mexico Attorney General’s office representative pilot program to determine whether to expand the program to each of ATF’s Southwest border field divisions.
15. Ensure that the reforms discussed in ATF’s September 2010 “Project Gunrunner – A Cartel Focused Strategy” are fully and expeditiously implemented.
Oh please. Are you suggesting that the Mexican's knew all about it (and, of course, were involved with it) right up until the day Obama walked into the White House and then suddenly forgot?
Under Obama's Fast and Furious operation, the Obama administration did not inform the Mexican authorities
Yes, I'm well aware of that..... sorry, should have added /sarc off. Feel free to reference any of my previous posts. This thread is now into about the third iteration of 'Bush did it first'. Apparently none of the leftards have any idea of what's been going on with DOJ nor have they bothered to reference any material offered in the preceding 75 pages of post.
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