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Old 09-26-2007, 01:41 PM
 
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In many states, they want to require an id to stop things from happening that are not happening anyway (read: trim off a few poor voters).



Classic GOP.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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So the voting fraud that -- as you say -- only affects absentee balloting, isn't really happening, because no Republican voters are poor?

Classic Arby's. With mucilage.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:17 PM
 
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So the voting fraud that -- as you say -- only affects absentee balloting, isn't really happening, because no Republican voters are poor?

Classic Arby's. With mucilage.
And what about the disenfranchised?

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Old 09-26-2007, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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And what about the disenfranchised?

You must be referring to the military votes from overseas that were mysteriously "delayed" until after the election?

That glitch has been taken care of.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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In many states, they want to require an id to stop things from happening that are not happening anyway (read: trim off a few poor voters).



Classic GOP.
Good proofread.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:50 PM
 
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False premise here.

It's been well documented in several states that in certain districts there's more "registered" voters that voted than people of voting age in the area.

Also, it's been well documented that several states appear to have a large voting population that votes in two states ... for example, the New York/FL connection. Those aren't "poor" or "disenfranchised" voters who are affluent enough to maintain seasonal homes in both states.

It's also been demonstrated that a lot of voter applications brought in by several advocacy groups were found to have a high percentage of fraudulent names/addresses.

Voter fraud simply isn't a new phenomenon. And there appears to be a number of places which aggressively enable it ... by issuing ID cards or allowing driver's licenses to folks otherwise not qualified to vote, but where those documents are sufficient to get onto a registrar's list to vote. Motor voter laws are not effective in screening qualified voters from the non-qualified.
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:07 PM
 
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In many states, they want to require an id to stop things from happening that are not happening anyway (read: trim off a few poor voters).



Classic GOP.
There’s no question it’s happening in CA. Loretta Sanchez wouldn’t have won with out it.
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:38 PM
 
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False premise here.

It's been well documented in several states that in certain districts there's more "registered" voters that voted than people of voting age in the area.

Also, it's been well documented that several states appear to have a large voting population that votes in two states ... for example, the New York/FL connection. Those aren't "poor" or "disenfranchised" voters who are affluent enough to maintain seasonal homes in both states.

It's also been demonstrated that a lot of voter applications brought in by several advocacy groups were found to have a high percentage of fraudulent names/addresses.

Voter fraud simply isn't a new phenomenon. And there appears to be a number of places which aggressively enable it ... by issuing ID cards or allowing driver's licenses to folks otherwise not qualified to vote, but where those documents are sufficient to get onto a registrar's list to vote. Motor voter laws are not effective in screening qualified voters from the non-qualified.

Many non-citizens are also registering to vote. In many states all you have to do to register is walk up to a desk sitting in a mall and fill out a form and mail it in. Also you can pickup a voter registration card at any library and fill it out and mail it in. No ID required. Plus, in many states all the ID you need to show to vote in person is pretty much anything with your name on it. A utility bill for example or even the voter registration card they send you in the mail after you register.

No drivers license or picture ID requried.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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False premise here.

It's been well documented in several states that in certain districts there's more "registered" voters that voted than people of voting age in the area.
The local NBC affiliate here uncovered 27 dead Democrats before they stopped.

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Also, it's been well documented that several states appear to have a large voting population that votes in two states ... for example, the New York/FL connection. Those aren't "poor" or "disenfranchised" voters who are affluent enough to maintain seasonal homes in both states.
Oh, yes, they brag about it. I could hear them old skins flapping their gums up at Clearwater Mall all the time.

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It's also been demonstrated that a lot of voter applications brought in by several advocacy groups were found to have a high percentage of fraudulent names/addresses.
As Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell tried to mail suspected fraudulent voter registration cards certified mail and they viciously attacked him for it, even though the lists had fraudulent voters and members of the group were convicted. People were being disenfranchised, namely me, a US citizen and legally registered voter.

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Voter fraud simply isn't a new phenomenon. And there appears to be a number of places which aggressively enable it ... by issuing ID cards or allowing driver's licenses to folks otherwise not qualified to vote, but where those documents are sufficient to get onto a registrar's list to vote. Motor voter laws are not effective in screening qualified voters from the non-qualified.
Other countries use IDs I don't know why the US doesn't. We had some illegal alien puke trying to vote and he was so stupid he made three mistakes, not bringing an electric bill, phone bill or cable bill to verify his address (that's all that's needed in Ohio), he couldn't speak English and didn't understand what the poll workers were asking him for, and he couldn't remember the name on his recycled voter registration card.

If you contact your local GOP you can volunteer to work as a challenge agent.

My polling place is a few houses up and it's just a few blocks from campus and this is a high-transient area with a many vacant apartments that could be used for fraud. Even with my junky HP scanner I can forge an electric bill in 30 seconds.

Students are already running around helping others vote by absentee ballot then register here to vote. I figure if I walk the parking lot and take photos of vehicles with out of state or out of county plates with my cell-phone they can be prosecuted and then I can get them kicked out of the university for violating the student conduct code as well.
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