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Originally Posted by Dale Cooper
I remember back when OCare was signed and the right was hollaring about it being a tax; the left was chastising and making fun of us for thinking that. Calling us stupid, etc. Couldn't be a tax because OBam said it wasn't.
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Why would any sensible person listen to another who was hollaring? If the Right didn't want it, then why did it pass the House? I mean, the Right has majority in the House, so they could have easily blocked it each and every time. Or by the Right do you mean Joe Blow on the street?
Obamacare is all about making health coverage affordable and available to everyone. And it does that. Or will do that I should say, some of the provisions have already taken effect, but others won't roll out until 2020 (ending the "Medicare Gap"). The "no more pre-existing conditions" and "the Mandate" roll out on Jan 1, 2014.
Individual States also have the option to enact their own plan. Well, as long is it offers the same level of care at the same price. Vermont has already expressed interests in creating a single-payer plan.
This won't happen until 2017.
You know, when an uninsured person visits the hospital (and skips out on their bill), the hospital absorbs that cost. And of course, that costs gets passed along to paying customers. So, because of the uninsured, you end up being charged more not only by the hospital, but your insurance provider charges you more, too. Not to mention, tax dollars already fund Medicaid and Medicare and other State-run insurance programs.
The Mandate was put into place to help absorb the costs of those with pre-existing conditions that were denied insurance in the past, or the difference caused by the lowering of their premiums. Believe what you want, but I think this is a good thing. Thankfully, I am an American, too.
Now, here is the real rub, put into bold for emphasis:
if you can already afford to pay for health insurance now, you will be able to afford to pay for it in the future. It might even be cheaper. If you are getting health insurance through your employer, that will continue, too, as your employers rate will go down. It will also become illegal for them to cut you, anyways, as they would be charged fines, if they do. If you cannot afford it now, you probably cannot afford it two years from now. In this case, you will not be "taxed". The reality is, nothing will change. You will only be "taxed" if you can afford it, but refuse. Unless you are independently wealthy, you will more-than-likely fall into one of the three categories mentioned.
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Originally Posted by southbel
Be sure to thank the middle class for that. They're paying for you to get your freebies from the gov't.
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So, the middle class are the only Americans paying taxes. Wow! Thanks for the roads and fire department (especially the NYFD!) and the police department and the Military middle class! You're the best. You can keep your parks and wild-life preserves, though. Those things are for those hippies, but I would like some free beer.
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Originally Posted by Taratova
For now it is better. It can go up if costs go up and they can tax you as much as they want and take over health care all together and tax you even more .
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The slippery slope. I forgot about that. Just like allowing the gays to marry, because you know, after that people are going to start marrying their pets, trees, themselves. It will never end
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Originally Posted by Katiana
Have only read to post #60, so if this has been addressed I apologize. How can the president repeal a law? I thought congress had to do that.  |
The President has little power. Well, more than you and I, but he is mostly a figure-head. Congress has the power. What ever the President wants to enact, Congress has the power to say no. What people forget is that this Act was passed by both the House and the Senate before Obama signed it into law. Also don't forget who has majority in the House, and the Senate only has a slight Dem. majority.
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc
Your post is worth bookmarking for future reference, but the brainwshed on the right will not see the actual words...instead, they will see the words that have been imprinted on their memory banks. There wss one poster that was talking about the IRS seizing their property if they opt out.  |
The entire Act is somewhere around 940 pages. A lot to read, sure, and I guess it is more convenient to simply have Rush give you his rundown. However, the document is available in its entirety for anyone who wants to read it.
I agree with you, though. Everyone is too caught up with the whole "mandate" that the rest of the Act is ignored.
I find it funny that people call it Obamacare, though. I guess it is easier to say. The Act was revised so many times before it was able to pass Congress that what finally did go through was so watered down compared to the original that it cannot even be compared. It was largely the "Right" who held it up and forced the revisions. They got what they wanted and now they are still b*tching about it.
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