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Actually we'll never know if that's the case or not because that's a domain that the gov't has tightly maintained control over. Although, I wouldn't describe the government created infrastructure as 'inexpensive'. I'll have to do more research on privatized infrastructure but you still didn't prove it was less expensive, you simply claimed it so. Because you claim it is so does not make it true.
Because in order to "prove" one of the parties involved in a project is more expensive than the other you must have an identical project for each to compare. Don't know if such a comparison ever existed.
But I stand by the goals of the "profit motive" which, as I said, is to scrape off profit into oblivion - and as much as possible.
Yes it is. It's not even debatable - are you completely unaware?? European healthcare systems spend less than half the GDP spend that the US does and yet cover everyone - they nearly all rank above the US too. Look it up.
Now answer my question from my previous post.
First, what was your question?
Second, is that spending you are pointing to per capita?
Companies cannot tax people to get more spending money.
But for profit companies can certainly get paid e.g. Medicare Part C, having the federal
government pay them directly with enormous subsidies/profit. That in turn is a tax
that citizens will be expected to pay for. We simply can't just print free money forever.
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Because in order to "prove" one of the parties involved in a project is more expensive than the other you must have an identical project for each to compare. Don't know if such a comparison ever existed.
But I stand by the goals of the "profit motive" which, as I said, is to scrape off profit into oblivion - and as much as possible.
There are comparisons that can be made, as many have done with our healthcare to other countries. Again, I am not well versed in privatized infrastructure. I will research. So, I cannot say one way or the other, definitively, if what you claim is true.
Well, it's been a year since then, did they save $500 million? I'm interested in actual proof that government involvement has resulted in savings, not what people think may happen. As we've seen time and again, what people think will happen differs substantially to what actually happens.
I guess I can pull the budgets from other countries. There is no debating a non profit single payer
is the most cost effect form of payment for health care services.
Why AHA is preventing Vermont from starting their single payer until 2017...
I guess I'll have to wait five years before I can give you a link to prove I'm right
Vermont is working on a waiver from AHA, so maybe I can provide the link in 2 years instead...
I had no idea any such thing was in the oath of office for SCOTUS!
Please, dont talk about "oath" when referring to SCOTUS anymore. The actions the court took yesterday was against their oath. It was a fraud from the beginning.
The case shouldve been thrown out during the arguments. They allowed Obama's attorney to argue both sides ,mandate/tax. SCOTUS ultimately ruled it was a tax, yet the bill, Obama, dems everywhere, all said it wasnt a tax. If it were a tax, it was supposed to have been required to be re-written and passed again.
They basically re-wrote the damn bill to some how try and justify passing it. That IS NOT their damn jobs. They are supposed to look at the bill, as written, and using this thing called the pesky Constitution, and determine if it is Constitutional or not. Had they actually used the Constitution, there is no way they couldve ruled in favor of the law. But again, it shouldnt even of gotten past oral arguments.
How's about healthcare in every other Western country in the world? (and most rank way sbove the US in terms of quality too). And not just that either - there is much that governments can do that the private sector either can't or won't I.e infrastructure, research and development, construction etc etc just look to China to see the explosion in economic growth and the work of the public sector in commerce and infrastructure. The same is true throughout history - the industrial revolution, the invention of the locomotive, electricity.. How's about the new deal here??
I'll ask this of you then - how would you achieve/improve the above if you remove government involvement??
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Originally Posted by southbel
First, what was your question?
Second, is that spending you are pointing to per capita?
See above. That's spending per capita and as a percentage of GDP.
I think you are just considering the cost to yourself.
To a person on welfare, and I am not saying stundent loans are welfare, alot of things seem cheap but they are not.
Basic economics: There is no such thing as a free lunch.
I see your point but I think the cost to administer such a program has to be factored in.
If you don't want to conceed the point that is fine. Student loans were not just made more affordable for me, they were made more affordable and available for everyone that qualified. MY VA home loan was not made cheaper for me, but for everyone that qualified. The govt. does not function to compete with free enterprise, but to provide things that the market does not provide so that the country as a whole is better off. For student loans, the interest is in providing a better skilled workforce which makes the country more competitive. For VA home loans, it provides an incentive for people to join the military to provide a defense for our country.
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before I can give you a link to prove I'm right
