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Why not an optional single-payer system that only deducts from paychecks of people who are on it and permanently is prohibited from receiving outside funds?
So, WHY didn't the GOP do something like that? Bush & the GOP held control for 6 years and did NOTHING to address the issue. Now, they are all upset because the Democrats did something about it.
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Smells like BS to me.
So WHO do YOU think pays when an uninsured person needs medical attention - especially major medical attention? Hospitals are required by law to provide care regardless of the patients' ability to pay - so the cost of that comes from SOMEWHERE. Where do YOU think it comes from?
So, WHY didn't the GOP do something like that? Bush & the GOP held control for 6 years and did NOTHING to address the issue. Now, they are all upset because the Democrats did something about it.
So WHO do YOU think pays when an uninsured person needs medical attention - especially major medical attention? Hospitals are required by law to provide care regardless of the patients' ability to pay - so the cost of that comes from SOMEWHERE. Where do YOU think it comes from?
Ken
No matter which route you go with for insurance you still have tens of millions of illegals that do not have insurance and use the ER.
One hospital alone in CA is racking up over $2 million per month in dialysis for 80 illegals.
That's one procedure for one disease in one hospital.
No matter which route you go with for insurance you still have tens of millions of illegals that do not have insurance and use the ER.
One hospital alone in CA is racking up over $2 million per month in dialysis for 80 illegals.
That's one procedure for one disease in one hospital.
Sure, there's no denying that. Obamacare doesn't completely solve the problem - but it DOES cut the problem by millions of people and addresses many of the major abuses by the insurance companies as well.
LOL, when you differentiate between the prerequisite of owning a vehicle and using public roads vs. being a living/breathing individual, let me know.
You seem to have wasted enough time on that unnecessary "issue". The issue you should have investigated... why must driving a vehicle necessitate a mandate, but the issue of health care couldn't be.
What premise do you utilize to figure THAT out?
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No matter which route you go with for insurance you still have tens of millions of illegals that do not have insurance and use the ER.
And who exactly has proposed a complete solution towards that effect? At least you recognize that use of ER is an issue. The question is, what should be done about it? Repeal EMTALA? Go for it!
So, WHY didn't the GOP do something like that? Bush & the GOP held control for 6 years and did NOTHING to address the issue. Now, they are all upset because the Democrats did something about it.
What about health savings accounts? Many, MANY people I've talked to from lower middle to upper middle income folks thought it was a great facility to responsibly pay for medical care.
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So WHO do YOU think pays when an uninsured person needs medical attention - especially major medical attention? Hospitals are required by law to provide care regardless of the patients' ability to pay - so the cost of that comes from SOMEWHERE. Where do YOU think it comes from?
Ken
Can you provide statistics as to what % this "crippling" problem is costing the country? It's a very kewl talking point, but numbers talk, BS walks.
What about health savings accounts? Many, MANY people I've talked to from lower middle to upper middle income folks thought it was a great facility to responsibly pay for medical care.
In a country where the savings rate is barely 4% as it is, that's an unrealistic approach. Most people have to be FORCED (via SS) to save for retirement, they're not going save for medical emergencies - get real. So then what happens when the don't save - or dont' save enough? We'll STILL be stuck with paying for their health care.
What about health savings accounts? Many, MANY people I've talked to from lower middle to upper middle income folks thought it was a great facility to responsibly pay for medical care.
Can you provide statistics as to what % this "crippling" problem is costing the country? It's a very kewl talking point, but numbers talk, BS walks.
The numbers are well documented by many sources - this is just one.
"The Center for American Progress Action Fund has updated a 2005 analysis by Kenneth Thorpe for Families USA and found that, on average, 8 percent of families’ 2009 health care premiums—approximately $1,100 a year—is due to our broken system that fails to cover the uninsured."
As I said, the uninsured STILL get emergency medical coverage - which tends to be very expensive - and that cost has to be paid by SOMEBODY - and if you don't believe that the insured and the government are the ones paying it, then YOU to tell me who YOU think is currently paying it (because SOMEBODY is making up that loss SOMEWHERE).
Sure, there's no denying that. Obamacare doesn't completely solve the problem - but it DOES cut the problem by millions of people and addresses many of the major abuses by the insurance companies as well.
Ken
So, let me ask you, a person does not pay the fine, gets sick and goes to the ER, who pays?
Same as now in that case (ie the government or the hospital) - and the person would likely face legal woes from the IRS - just as ANY tax dodger does.
Ken
The IRS can only collect this penalty from refund money. That is their only recourse.
No refund..no penalty collected.
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